Digital BW, The Print

Hello All,

I received a report today from someone who says CS2's "Print With
Preview" is different and doesn't seem to offer the "Same As Source"
option.  Can anyone confirm this?

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hi Clayton... Yes, it's true.  I just did the update, and the new Print with Preview dialogue is 
quite different.  Under the Options you have three main choices:  1) Let Photoshop 
Determine Colors, 2) Let Printer Determine Colors, 3) No Color Management.  It also offers 
choices for Intent when that's appropriate.  I'm not exactly sure what the correct settings 
are, and was about to post the question to the Photo.net Digital Darkroom Forum.

Ed

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@c...> wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> I received a report today from someone who says CS2's "Print With
> Preview" is different and doesn't seem to offer the "Same As Source"
> option.  Can anyone confirm this?
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Ed,

>Hi Clayton... Yes, it's true.  I just did the update, and the new
>Print with Preview dialogue is quite different.  Under the Options 
>you have three main choices:  1) Let Photoshop Determine Colors, 
>2) Let Printer Determine Colors, 3) No Color Management.  It also 
>offers choices for Intent when that's appropriate.  I'm not exactly 
>sure what the correct settings are, and was about to post the 
>question to the Photo.net Digital Darkroom Forum.

Thanks, please let us know what you find out.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

> From: edrudolpho
>
> Hi Clayton... Yes, it's true.  I just did the update, and the new
> Print with Preview dialogue is
> quite different.  Under the Options you have three main choices:
> 1) Let Photoshop
> Determine Colors, 2) Let Printer Determine Colors, 3) No Color
> Management.  It also offers
> choices for Intent when that's appropriate.  I'm not exactly sure
> what the correct settings
> are, and was about to post the question to the Photo.net Digital
> Darkroom Forum.

"Let Printer Determine Colors" is equivalent to the old "Printer Color
Management", meaning that it sends the data as-is, tagged with a profile.

"Let Photoshop Determine Colors" is equivalent to selecting a particular
print space in PS CS. It enables the pull-down list before it, where you
select the actual profile.

"No Color Management" is equivalent to the old "Same As Source", meaning
that it sends the data as-is, without a profile.

I think the new terms are clearer. What I'm curious about is why "Let
Printer Determine Colors" enables the Rendering Intent pull-down list, but
not the Black Point Compensation checkbox. I'm guessing that the interface
to the printer driver includes a field for requesting a rendering intent,
but Black Point Compensation is a Photoshop-ism that isn't supported in the
OS (at least in Windows).

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

On Apr 27, 2005, at 8:44 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:

> Ed,
>
>> Hi Clayton... Yes, it's true.  I just did the update, and the new
>> Print with Preview dialogue is quite different.  Under the Options
>> you have three main choices:  1) Let Photoshop Determine Colors,
>> 2) Let Printer Determine Colors, 3) No Color Management.  It also
>> offers choices for Intent when that's appropriate.  I'm not exactly
>> sure what the correct settings are, and was about to post the
>> question to the Photo.net Digital Darkroom Forum.
>
> Thanks, please let us know what you find out.

The options are essentially the same as before, but they are 
re-labelled and re-organized and they are, IMHO, more descriptive (and 
they have tooltips that give you more info when you hover over them).

Let Photoshop Determine Colors - like selecting a custom output profile 
in CS
Let Printer Determine Colors - like Printer Color Mgmt in CS
No Color Management - like Same as Source in CS

-R

That is consistent with before.  My understanding is that black point
compensation requires software that can do it, eg Photoshop.  My guess is
that you are able to tell the OS which intent to use with the print driver
but it can't handle bkpt as you say.  When I was exploring ICC profiles with
a colour engineer I asked about the bkpt tag and whether it could/should be
included in a simple greyscale output profile. He said "you can put it in
but need an application that can make use of it".

> From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...>


> What I'm curious about is why "Let
> Printer Determine Colors" enables the Rendering Intent pull-down list, but
> not the Black Point Compensation checkbox. I'm guessing that the interface
> to the printer driver includes a field for requesting a rendering intent,
> but Black Point Compensation is a Photoshop-ism that isn't supported in the
> OS (at least in Windows).
> 
> --

Paul's expanation is correct.  If you're going to be printing using an actual 
profile, you select "Let Photoshop Determine Colors" then select your profile 
in the next dropdown.  It all works the same as before, just renamed and in 
slightly different places. 

What would be nice is if Photoshop and the Epson printer driver could talk to 
each other such that, when you select "Let Photoshop Determine Colors," the 
Color Management option in the Epson printer driver would automatically be 
turned off.  As is, you still have to remember to select "No Color Adjustment" in 
the Epson printer driver, just like before.


> "Let Printer Determine Colors" is equivalent to the old "Printer Color
> Management", meaning that it sends the data as-is, tagged with a profile.
> 
> "Let Photoshop Determine Colors" is equivalent to selecting a particular
> print space in PS CS. It enables the pull-down list before it, where you
> select the actual profile.
> 
> "No Color Management" is equivalent to the old "Same As Source", 
meaning

> that it sends the data as-is, without a profile.
> 
> I think the new terms are clearer. What I'm curious about is why "Let
> Printer Determine Colors" enables the Rendering Intent pull-down list, but
> not the Black Point Compensation checkbox. I'm guessing that the interface
> to the printer driver includes a field for requesting a rendering intent,
> but Black Point Compensation is a Photoshop-ism that isn't supported in the
> OS (at least in Windows).
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...