Digital BW, The Print

Hi all, 

 I'm currently using an 1800 for color. I am interested in dedicating 
a printer for high quality B&W. I've been told that piezography is the 
way to go. This brings a few questions to mind:

1-Has the problem of heads blocking been solved? 
2-How does piezography compare to Quadtone Rip? 
3-Does it matter whether I use an Epson 1280 or a 2200 
   for piezography? (I'd have to buy the dedicated printer.) 

Best 
Howard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cantbebeat111" 
<cantbebeat111@y...> wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
>  I'm currently using an 1800 for color. I am interested in 
dedicating 
> a printer for high quality B&W. I've been told that piezography is 
the 
> way to go. This brings a few questions to mind:
> 
> 1-Has the problem of heads blocking been solved? 
> 2-How does piezography compare to Quadtone Rip? 
> 3-Does it matter whether I use an Epson 1280 or a 2200 
>    for piezography? (I'd have to buy the dedicated printer.) 
> 
> Best 
> Howard

I don't have any personal experience with the system, but from what 
I have read, one of the systems recommended for the new K7 inks is 
the 2200 with the QTR. The post I read claims that this will be the 
most affordable system they have ever released.

Like many others, I'm waiting to see how well the new K7 inkset
compares to what's currently available for the 2200. I'm already using
QTR with the UC inkset but am currently printing most of my color work
-- i.e., digital files -- through a lab (Fuji Crystal Archive paper,
no bronzing, and cheap) rather than the 2200. For that reason, my
printer is ripe for BW dedication. I'm hoping that carts for the K7
inkset aren't significantly more expensive than UC carts, plus, be
relatively clog-free and refillable. 

Chris Hargens


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Jasutis"
<jimj1946@y...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cantbebeat111" 
> <cantbebeat111@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> >  I'm currently using an 1800 for color. I am interested in 
> dedicating 
> > a printer for high quality B&W. I've been told that piezography is 
> the 
> > way to go. This brings a few questions to mind:
> > 
> > 1-Has the problem of heads blocking been solved? 
> > 2-How does piezography compare to Quadtone Rip? 
> > 3-Does it matter whether I use an Epson 1280 or a 2200 
> >    for piezography? (I'd have to buy the dedicated printer.) 
> > 
> > Best 
> > Howard
> 
> I don't have any personal experience with the system, but from what 
> I have read, one of the systems recommended for the new K7 inks is 
> the 2200 with the QTR. The post I read claims that this will be the 
> most affordable system they have ever released.

I am questioning whether you would need QTR with the 
Piezography system. Why not use the Epson driver since the 
inks are 100% carbon, there should be no metamerism.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim 
Jasutis" <jimj1946@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"cantbebeat111" 
> <cantbebeat111@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> >  I'm currently using an 1800 for color. I am interested in 
> dedicating 
> > a printer for high quality B&W. I've been told that piezography 
is 
> the 
> > way to go. This brings a few questions to mind:
> > 
> > 1-Has the problem of heads blocking been solved? 
> > 2-How does piezography compare to Quadtone Rip? 
> > 3-Does it matter whether I use an Epson 1280 or a 2200 
> >    for piezography? (I'd have to buy the dedicated printer.) 
> > 
> > Best 
> > Howard
> 
> I don't have any personal experience with the system, but from 
what 
> I have read, one of the systems recommended for the new K7 
inks is 
> the 2200 with the QTR. The post I read claims that this will be 
the 
> most affordable system they have ever released.

I have 3 printers:  a 1280 dedicated to piezography, a 2200 and a
recent addition of a 4000.  I use the continuous ink flow for the
piezography (otherwise it is as or more expensive than the epson
inks).  I have not had problems with head clogging.  I love the prints
(have basically finalized on Legion PhotoMatte paper).  I have been
trying QTR on the 4000 and am not yet impressed.  A side by side
comparison of the 1280 piezography print and a 4000 print using QTR
shows more detail in the shadows in the piezography print; more
dynamic range, better highlights, and an overall better print.  I have
yet to be able to get a QTR curve to match the selenium toning inks of
the piezography ink set.  I gave up on trying to use the 2200 for
black & white prints which is why I went to the 1280 to begin with.  I
have no experience with the UT7 inks or the eboni black that many on
this forum discuss.  Once I went to the piezography, I decided not to
try to change inks.  I picked up the 1280 as a factory reconditioned
on the internet for a fair price (about $200).  The piezography
continuous ink system will cost you a lot more than that.  But, I have
found it worth it.

I showed a number of my images to Paul Sack (from the piezography
inks) and he was not aware that the images were digital prints.  Two
of my piezography images are in his collection, so that gives you an
idea of the quality achievable with piezography.  By the way, my
images are from film--I shoot with a Hasselblad, scan in the images,
and use Bill Atkinson's methods for cleaning up my images.

Mike

> Mike, where can I find an example of Bill Atkinson¹s work flow that you
> mentioned?
> 
> 
> I showed a number of my images to Paul Sack (from the piezography
> inks) and he was not aware that the images were digital prints.  Two
> of my piezography images are in his collection, so that gives you an
> idea of the quality achievable with piezography.  By the way, my
> images are from film--I shoot with a Hasselblad, scan in the images,
> and use Bill Atkinson's methods for cleaning up my images.
> 
> Mike
> 
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Great info!
Thank you!
How
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mtiktinsky" 
<mtiktinsky@t...> wrote:
> I have 3 printers:  a 1280 dedicated to piezography, a 2200 and a
> recent addition of a 4000.  I use the continuous ink flow for the
> piezography (otherwise it is as or more expensive than the epson
> inks).  I have not had problems with head clogging.  I love the 
prints
> (have basically finalized on Legion PhotoMatte paper).  I have been
> trying QTR on the 4000 and am not yet impressed.  A side by side
> comparison of the 1280 piezography print and a 4000 print using QTR
> shows more detail in the shadows in the piezography print; more
> dynamic range, better highlights, and an overall better print.  I 
have
> yet to be able to get a QTR curve to match the selenium toning 
inks of
> the piezography ink set.  I gave up on trying to use the 2200 for
> black & white prints which is why I went to the 1280 to begin 
with.  I
> have no experience with the UT7 inks or the eboni black that many 
on
> this forum discuss.  Once I went to the piezography, I decided not 
to
> try to change inks.  I picked up the 1280 as a factory 
reconditioned
> on the internet for a fair price (about $200).  The piezography
> continuous ink system will cost you a lot more than that.  But, I 
have
> found it worth it.
> 
> I showed a number of my images to Paul Sack (from the piezography
> inks) and he was not aware that the images were digital prints.  
Two
> of my piezography images are in his collection, so that gives you 
an
> idea of the quality achievable with piezography.  By the way, my
> images are from film--I shoot with a Hasselblad, scan in the 
images,

> and use Bill Atkinson's methods for cleaning up my images.
> 
> Mike

Sorry, but what is t he K7 inkset?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hargens" 
<chargens@s...> wrote:
> Like many others, I'm waiting to see how well the new K7 inkset
> compares to what's currently available for the 2200. I'm already 
using
> QTR with the UC inkset but am currently printing most of my color 
work
> -- i.e., digital files -- through a lab (Fuji Crystal Archive 
paper,
> no bronzing, and cheap) rather than the 2200. For that reason, my
> printer is ripe for BW dedication. I'm hoping that carts for the K7
> inkset aren't significantly more expensive than UC carts, plus, be
> relatively clog-free and refillable. 
> 
> Chris Hargens
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Jasutis"
> <jimj1946@y...> wrote:
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cantbebeat111" 
> > <cantbebeat111@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi all, 
> > > 
> > >  I'm currently using an 1800 for color. I am interested in 
> > dedicating 
> > > a printer for high quality B&W. I've been told that 
piezography is 
> > the 
> > > way to go. This brings a few questions to mind:
> > > 
> > > 1-Has the problem of heads blocking been solved? 
> > > 2-How does piezography compare to Quadtone Rip? 
> > > 3-Does it matter whether I use an Epson 1280 or a 2200 
> > >    for piezography? (I'd have to buy the dedicated printer.) 
> > > 
> > > Best 
> > > Howard
> > 
> > I don't have any personal experience with the system, but from 
what 
> > I have read, one of the systems recommended for the new K7 inks 
is 
> > the 2200 with the QTR. The post I read claims that this will be 
the 
> > most affordable system they have ever released.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cantbebeat111"
<cantbebeat111@y...> wrote:
> Sorry, but what is t he K7 inkset?

 This link should explain.
http://www.piezography.com/site/piezography-neutral-k7.html

Chris Hargens

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hargens"
<chargens@s...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cantbebeat111"
> <cantbebeat111@y...> wrote:
> > Sorry, but what is t he K7 inkset?
> 
>  This link should explain.
> http://www.piezography.com/site/piezography-neutral-k7.html

But not "unique". I've tried 7 dilutions of black before. Didn't find
that much difference between 7 and 5, so settled on this load of MIS inks:

Eboni, PKN at 5 dilutions, and glop. I can make a stunning print on
either matte or glossy ;)