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Re: black and white film

Re: black and white film

2005-06-30 by sandersm@aol.com

> > ... If anyone is left that still captures on film would
> > like to hear your film/developer combos for this print workflow.
> >
> 

Count me in.   I am shooting entirely in 4x5 and 5x7 black and white film.   
I shoot a ton of Tri-X 320, that I expose at EI 160 (to open up shadows).   I 
also shoot some Bergger 200, which I expose at EI 100.   I'm processing both 
in Rodinal, in JOBO tanks.

I've recently returned to the darkroom and am contact-rpinting my stuff for 
the most part.   On the digital side, I am scanning now on an Epson 4990, and 
before this one the Epson 3200, both controlled with the Epson driver in 
Professional mode.   If nudity does not offend, you can see the results on my site, 
www.mcnew.net.   

Paul, if you're reading this, and you want some Tech Pan, I've got a bunch of 
120 rolls in the fridge.   Drop me a note if you are interested.

Best,

Sanders McNew
www.mcnew.net


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: SCANNERS?/black and white film

2005-06-30 by kipduff

Sanders, other photogs:
Sanders: I like the nudes. I have been shooting film since the '60's.
 Havn't done much since '93- been struggling with my business; but
want to get back into it.  It seems that film>scanner>photoshop>Epson
may be the hot setup.  I've had some communications with John Custodio
(see his website), and he is shooting Velvia (or current equivalent)
and scanning on his own Imacon- then printing with (I think) Epson
7600 with BW inks.  I bought a Nikon D100 two years ago- pics just
don't seem to compare- but it's a great camera.  My best work is is
done with a Calumet C-1 8 x 10 view camera on Tri-X with a 1/3 stop
pull (EI 250ASA) in D76.  I contact-print these only: I don't like
what an enlarger does to pictures.  Shots are mostly of people in bars
or street festivals shot with strobe or inderect ambient sunlight
against white background (basically mugshots).  I have an Epson 3200
(Sanders: is the 4900 better?) and it doesn't do bad, but no 8 x 10
film scan option.  I sent one of my 8 x 10's BW negs to PepinScan
(they're about half local scan fees) in Canada for a color drum scan
for a 100Mb file ($55?).  (Don't know if I can live with the idea of
sending my films thru the mail)  The image is mindboggling- I printed
it on my 2000p and other than metamerism, image is very 3-D and
stunning.  Just got an Epson 4800 and am just trying to get to know it
and get dialed in on a paper (I think it's going to be Epson Ultra
smooth matte or equivalent).  I've printed with it briefly on EEM. 
1)print in color (Adobe RGB) mode, prepare file in PS as a "tri-tone",
creating 1 black and 2 greys.  2) print in color mode with Adobe RGB
setting  3) print in "advanced BW" mode.  All pretty good- tritone
appears more precise.

I want to scan my 8 x 10: any suggestions on a scanner that I can live
with (price v quality), or should I bite the bullet an send them out
at $50 - $100 a pop?  Thanks, Kip.    


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, sandersm@a...
wrote:
> 
> > > ... If anyone is left that still captures on film would
> > > like to hear your film/developer combos for this print workflow.
> > >
> > 
> 
> Count me in.   I am shooting entirely in 4x5 and 5x7 black and white
film.   
> I shoot a ton of Tri-X 320, that I expose at EI 160 (to open up
shadows).   I 
> also shoot some Bergger 200, which I expose at EI 100.   I'm
processing both 
> in Rodinal, in JOBO tanks.
> 
> I've recently returned to the darkroom and am contact-rpinting my
stuff for 
> the most part.   On the digital side, I am scanning now on an Epson
4990, and 
> before this one the Epson 3200, both controlled with the Epson
driver in 
> Professional mode.   If nudity does not offend, you can see the
results on my site, 
> www.mcnew.net.   
> 
> Paul, if you're reading this, and you want some Tech Pan, I've got a
bunch of 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 120 rolls in the fridge.   Drop me a note if you are interested.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Sanders McNew
> www.mcnew.net
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Re: SCANNERS?/black and white film

2005-06-30 by Elwood Spedden

You should look into the new epson 4990. It has an
8X10 template built into the lid. I haven't tried it
personally but it gets great reviews and sells for
$499 in the states.

Woody Spedden

--- kipduff <kip.duff@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Sanders, other photogs:
Sanders: I like the nudes. I have been shooting film
since the '60's.
 Havn't done much since '93- been struggling with my
business; but
want to get back into it.  It seems that
film>scanner>photoshop>Epson
may be the hot setup.  I've had some communications
with John Custodio
(see his website), and he is shooting Velvia (or
current equivalent)
and scanning on his own Imacon- then printing with (I
think) Epson
7600 with BW inks.  I bought a Nikon D100 two years
ago- pics just
don't seem to compare- but it's a great camera.  My
best work is is
done with a Calumet C-1 8 x 10 view camera on Tri-X
with a 1/3 stop
pull (EI 250ASA) in D76.  I contact-print these only:
I don't like
what an enlarger does to pictures.  Shots are mostly
of people in bars
or street festivals shot with strobe or inderect
ambient sunlight
against white background (basically mugshots).  I have
an Epson 3200
(Sanders: is the 4900 better?) and it doesn't do bad,
but no 8 x 10
film scan option.  I sent one of my 8 x 10's BW negs
to PepinScan
(they're about half local scan fees) in Canada for a
color drum scan
for a 100Mb file ($55?).  (Don't know if I can live
with the idea of
sending my films thru the mail)  The image is
mindboggling- I printed
it on my 2000p and other than metamerism, image is
very 3-D and
stunning.  Just got an Epson 4800 and am just trying
to get to know it
and get dialed in on a paper (I think it's going to be
Epson Ultra
smooth matte or equivalent).  I've printed with it
briefly on EEM. 
1)print in color (Adobe RGB) mode, prepare file in PS
as a "tri-tone",
creating 1 black and 2 greys.  2) print in color mode
with Adobe RGB
setting  3) print in "advanced BW" mode.  All pretty
good- tritone
appears more precise.

I want to scan my 8 x 10: any suggestions on a scanner
that I can live
with (price v quality), or should I bite the bullet an
send them out
at $50 - $100 a pop?  Thanks, Kip.    


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
sandersm@a...
wrote:
> 
> > > ... If anyone is left that still captures on
film would
> > > like to hear your film/developer combos for this
print workflow.
> > >
> > 
> 
> Count me in.   I am shooting entirely in 4x5 and 5x7
black and white
film.   
> I shoot a ton of Tri-X 320, that I expose at EI 160
(to open up
shadows).   I 
> also shoot some Bergger 200, which I expose at EI
100.   I'm
processing both 
> in Rodinal, in JOBO tanks.
> 
> I've recently returned to the darkroom and am
contact-rpinting my
stuff for 
> the most part.   On the digital side, I am scanning
now on an Epson
4990, and 
> before this one the Epson 3200, both controlled with
the Epson
driver in 
> Professional mode.   If nudity does not offend, you
can see the
results on my site, 
> www.mcnew.net.   
> 
> Paul, if you're reading this, and you want some Tech
Pan, I've got a
bunch of 
> 120 rolls in the fridge.   Drop me a note if you are
interested.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Sanders McNew
> www.mcnew.net
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]




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Re: SCANNERS?/black and white film

2005-07-01 by Andre

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "kipduff" 
> 
> I want to scan my 8 x 10: any suggestions on a scanner that I can live
> with (price v quality), or should I bite the bullet an send them out
> at $50 - $100 a pop?  Thanks, Kip.    
> 
> 

Kip,

Here's a comparison of an Epson 4990 and a Howtek D4000 drum scanner.
By the owner of the ScanHi-End yahoo group
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/BB/viewtopic.php?t=49

How about wet mounting for scanning 8x10" negatives on an Epson 4990
flatbed scanner 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCANMAX/messages

Another Yahoo group where wet mounting on an Epson flatbed is also
discussed:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson4870/messages

HTH,
André

Re: [Digital BW] Re: SCANNERS?/black and white film

2005-07-01 by Brian Ellis

Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure his paragraph 1 is true of all 4990s. 
I haven't had any Newton ring problems with mine and I scan with the base 
side down. However, I've read somewhere that scanning with base side up will 
produce a better scan. I always wondered why. I suppose his paragraph 1 is 
the reason.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre" <am1000@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: SCANNERS?/black and white film


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "kipduff"
>
> I want to scan my 8 x 10: any suggestions on a scanner that I can live
> with (price v quality), or should I bite the bullet an send them out
> at $50 - $100 a pop?  Thanks, Kip.
>
>

Kip,

Here's a comparison of an Epson 4990 and a Howtek D4000 drum scanner.
By the owner of the ScanHi-End yahoo group
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/BB/viewtopic.php?t=49

How about wet mounting for scanning 8x10" negatives on an Epson 4990
flatbed scanner
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCANMAX/messages

Another Yahoo group where wet mounting on an Epson flatbed is also
discussed:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson4870/messages

HTH,
Andr\ufffd







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Re: [Digital BW] Re: SCANNERS?/black and white film

2005-07-01 by Ernst Dinkla

Andre wrote:

>
>Kip,
>
>Here's a comparison of an Epson 4990 and a Howtek D4000 drum scanner.
>By the owner of the ScanHi-End yahoo group
>http://www.photo-i.co.uk/BB/viewtopic.php?t=49
>
>  
>
A nice example of the quality of the Epson scanner range. Something I 
have written about for 2 years. The Epson samples in this case were not 
even wet mounted as I undersatnd it but at 8x10 size I would recommend 
that.

A drum scanner that is kept in good shape with a good operator will beat 
the results of the Nikon 8000, the Epson 4990, no doubt. Whether the 
higher cost is worth the difference in results is something else, 
especially if the the printer you scan for doesn't print wider than a 
foot or less than two feet.
The new Imacons have higher prices than secondhand drum scanners and are 
closer to today's desktops in quality than to the drum scanner. The 
total gap between all scanners is more and more closed.

Ernst

[Digital BW] Re: SCANNERS?/black and white film

2005-07-01 by john dean

That's interesting. I wonder how the Epson compares to a Scitek flatbeds?
I guess glass mounting would make a world of difference, especially in the 
amount of cleanup time, which is also a big deal. I would worry about shadow 
and highlight extreme detail in more contrasty subjects, especially 35mm, but 
if it is close to the Imacon that is a lot of savings to say the least, and the 
Epson scanner would probably be more trouble free. Thanks for that post. I'm 
very curious now about where these flatbeds are going. About the time 
everyone is using digital capture they'll perfect them.

There has been talk about how to make a magnetic film holder for a flatbed to 
also fluid mount with. Does anyone know where I can read about that? I am 
inheriting an older Sciteck flatbed this week and would like to try that 
methodology.

John





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <
E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> Andre wrote:
> 
> >
> >Kip,
> >
> >Here's a comparison of an Epson 4990 and a Howtek D4000 drum 
scanner.
> >By the owner of the ScanHi-End yahoo group
> >http://www.photo-i.co.uk/BB/viewtopic.php?t=49
> >
> >  
> >
> A nice example of the quality of the Epson scanner range. Something I 
> have written about for 2 years. The Epson samples in this case were not 
> even wet mounted as I undersatnd it but at 8x10 size I would recommend 
> that.
> 
> A drum scanner that is kept in good shape with a good operator will beat 
> the results of the Nikon 8000, the Epson 4990, no doubt. Whether the 
> higher cost is worth the difference in results is something else, 
> especially if the the printer you scan for doesn't print wider than a 
> foot or less than two feet.
> The new Imacons have higher prices than secondhand drum scanners and 
are 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> closer to today's desktops in quality than to the drum scanner. The 
> total gap between all scanners is more and more closed.
> 
> Ernst

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