Digital BW, The Print

Word has it (unconfirmed by me) from the Epson Wideformat forum that  
these are simply rebranded inks from MIS. If you like MIS and these  
are less expensive, perhaps they are worth pursuing. Otherwise, I  
would do more research prior to investment. See who makes them for  
sure. If you don't like how MIS inks work for you, these inks may do  
the same thing.

Repeat: I have not confirmed this information, only heard it from a  
member of the other forum.

Best,

Gary

>    From: "Tony Bonanno" <tbonanno-ranger2004@...>
> Subject: Who will be first to report on Pantone Pigment Inks in  
> their UC printer ?
>
> Hi group,
>
> Just looked at the little slide show at this site about the new
> Pantone Pigment Ink set for Epson UC printers...
>
> http://66.221.185.162/pantone-inkjet-inks/Pantone_inkjet_1.html
>
> I've seen the prices as low as $45/110 cartridge.  Looks tempting.  Of
> course Pantone emphasizes that the inks are a "set" and have different
> characteristics than the Epson UC set and therefore shouldn't be
> mixed.  They claim more neutral blacks and deeper, more saturated
> color.
>
> Would be interesting to see what these inks will do for the fine art
> B&W photographer/printer ??
>
> Anyone have any experience with this pigment inkset yet ?  Who will be
> the first to try it and report back :-) ?
>
> Wonder how they would work with Roy's Quadtone RIP ?
>
> I know what you are thinking.. why don't I make the jump and report
> back ?  I might down the road... but not anytime soon, too many Epson
> cartridges sitting in my studio.
>
>
> Tony Bonanno
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:15:20 -0400
>    From: "Steve Martin" <steve@...>
> Subject: Re: Who will be first to report on Pantone Pigment Inks in  
> their UC printer ?
>
> I'll try them. They sound good so maybe they really are. Tune in  
> later.



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Gary Barnett 
<barnettart@m...> wrote:
> Word has it (unconfirmed by me) from the Epson Wideformat forum 
that  
> these are simply rebranded inks from MIS. If you like MIS and 
these  
> are less expensive, perhaps they are worth pursuing. Otherwise, I  
> would do more research prior to investment. See who makes them for  
> sure. If you don't like how MIS inks work for you, these inks may 
do  
> the same thing.
> 
> Repeat: I have not confirmed this information, only heard it from 
a  
> member of the other forum.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Gary
> 


So in other words, both places use the same ink from the same real 
manufacturer is what the rumor should really say.

Buy from WeInk, at least they tell you exactly who makes their Epson 
compatible inks.

Gary Barnett wrote:

>Word has it (unconfirmed by me) from the Epson Wideformat forum that  
>these are simply rebranded inks from MIS. If you like MIS and these  
>are less expensive, perhaps they are worth pursuing. Otherwise, I  
>would do more research prior to investment. See who makes them for  
>sure. If you don't like how MIS inks work for you, these inks may do  
>the same thing.
>
>Repeat: I have not confirmed this information, only heard it from a  
>member of the other forum.
>
>Best,
>
>Gary
>
>  
>
Gary,

I have written on that subject there but not with those words. Pantone 
has a nice habit to claim that they invented color in this world. Their 
brand name suggest that the inks should be the best around and I doubt 
that. Most of the third party inkjet ink manufacturers get their ink 
ingredients from the big chemical companies and their contribution is in 
confectioning and distribution. There will not be much difference 
between the color inks. The price you pay for the Pantone sticker on the 
cart or bottle might be the only difference. MIS at least tries to bring 
some solutions for niche products like B&W inks. So I would rather 
support companies like MIS or Mediastreet who were the firsts to offer 
us solutions that were not available from the big companies.

There's a Pantone guy on the colorsync list who usually only gets off 
his lurker mode when someone utters Hexachrome when he means CMYKOG 
inks. The Pantone man then sends the message that only a Pantone 
licensed CMYKOG printer inkset can be labeled with the name Hexachrome. 
No further information than that. So Roland can use Hexachrome and Mutoh 
and Mimaki who have the same inkset can't. They all use Epson heads in 
similar printers and there's no difference in the results.

Ernst