Digital BW, The Print

"...If you have a look on the site I've covered profiling in the Eye 
One Design package 
separately from printer profiling with the large targets
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/eye_one_design.html
http://www.northlight-
images.co.uk/article_pages/eye_one_printer_profiling.html
....."

Keith,

I read with attention your site on Eye One Design and would like to 
ask you if you can make B&W printing profiles with this package ?
I have a MonacoEZ + Optix bundle, I profiled my two scanners, my 
monitor and it is fine for color printing profiles but not for B&W.
I would like to know if instead of a color target you could use a 
B&W target and then get a B&W profile. Or, as I use UT7 inkset in 
the Epson4000, if I can use the color target, print it with UT7 
means B&W and make a profile.
With Monaco I have done this second process, it works for matte 
papers but not for glossy.
Also is it possible to use Hutch targets with Eye one Design ?

Many thanks for your anser

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lours51" 
<sinwen@f...> wrote:
> "...If you have a look on the site I've covered profiling in the 
Eye 
> One Design package 
> separately from printer profiling with the large targets
> http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/eye_one_design.html
> http://www.northlight-
> images.co.uk/article_pages/eye_one_printer_profiling.html
> ....."
> 
> Keith,
> 
> I read with attention your site on Eye One Design and would like to 
> ask you if you can make B&W printing profiles with this package ?
> I have a MonacoEZ + Optix bundle, I profiled my two scanners, my 
> monitor and it is fine for color printing profiles but not for B&W.
> I would like to know if instead of a color target you could use a 
> B&W target and then get a B&W profile. Or, as I use UT7 inkset in 
> the Epson4000, if I can use the color target, print it with UT7 
> means B&W and make a profile.
> With Monaco I have done this second process, it works for matte 
> papers but not for glossy.
> Also is it possible to use Hutch targets with Eye one Design ?
> 
> Many thanks for your anser

The Eye-one Design uses a spectrophotometer, it doesn't have a need 
for the Hutch targets, and the Design level of software does not let 
your profile scanners, so again, no need for Hutch IT8 targets. As 
far as profiling for B/W, you could use the spectrophotometer to 
profile that printer with the ICC module within Quadtone RIP. That 
ICC module is stand alone, so you don't have to use QTR to use the 
profiling.

I never tried the included Design software to try and make a B/W 
profile, so I can't say if it will work or not.

> I read with attention your site on Eye One Design and would like to 
> ask you if you can make B&W printing profiles with this package ?

The 'Design' package only provides the simple target for profiling RGB printers. I've never 
tried it with a monchrome ink set, but I cant see any way it could work. 

I did recently get my Epson 1160 with Lyson SG inks tested with a 918 patch (two page) 
target through Eye One Match (as in Eye One Photo) and it produced quite passable 
results. I profiled it on the same PermaJet Delta Matt Fibre that I used for the 
MonoChromePro inks review. The shadow detail was not quite so good as the ImagePrint 
and QTR test prints I did for that review, but it was better than just using the Epson driver.

Now I don't think that you should really expect particularly good results when using inks 
that are very far from the assumed inkjet CMYK that Eye One Match is producing profiles 
for, but the Small Gamut profile looks in pretty reasonable shape, with no oddities I can 
see.

> I would like to know if instead of a color target you could use a 
> B&W target and then get a B&W profile.  ...
> Also is it possible to use Hutch targets with Eye one Design ?
The targets are pretty much fixed by the software - this is part of  GMBs product 
differentiation across the range (Could anyone confirm that the targets in Eye One Photo 
are the only ones you can produce profiles for?). If you want to profile arbitrary targets I 
think you have to use software like ProfileMaker Pro

The whole question of producing icc profiles for monochrome ink sets like the UT7 is a 
complex issue - see the recent thread on icc profiles and QTR for lots more interesting 
comments on the matter and why in some cases it might not even be meaningful to try :-)

bye for now

Keith Cooper

PS I live in Leicester in the UK, if anyone wants a cheap Epson 1160 with SG inks installed 
and spare cartridges, give me a call - I have too many printers in the office :-)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "kcooper666" 
<yahoogroups@n...> wrote:
> 
> > I would like to know if instead of a color target you could use a 
> > B&W target and then get a B&W profile.  ...
> > Also is it possible to use Hutch targets with Eye one Design ?
> The targets are pretty much fixed by the software - this is part 
of  GMBs product 
> differentiation across the range (Could anyone confirm that the 
targets in Eye One Photo 
> are the only ones you can produce profiles for?). If you want to 
profile arbitrary targets I 
> think you have to use software like ProfileMaker Pro
> 


I can tell you that you can't fool the Match software into using a 
different target when you only purchased the Design level. I think it 
counts the patches in the reference file, and if it comes up with 
more than 45, then it stops. I haven't tried measuring one of the 
larger targets, and saving the data to a file, and then let the 
Design level software open that file to read the data. Chances are 
good that it won't allow it.