Digital BW, The Print

I am going to try out one of the UT inksets and was hoping some kind 
soul out there would be willing to send me a scrap of a sample that 
shows the UT-FSN output.  How does it compare to the old VM neutral 
results?  Personally, I thought that the VM neutral had a little of 
a "paint" feel to it compared to the rich pigment look of the 
medium/warm tone output from VM.  Contact me off-list if you are 
willing to puts something/anything in the mail for me (I'd offer to 
pay, but there really isn't much of a cost to send out a scrap off a 
mess-up...)  I'd also appreciate comments comparing the UT-FSN to the 
VM-N as well.  Otherwise... I guess I'll just go the safe route and buy 
some UT-FS to try first since I feel more confident that I know what to 
expect.

Thanks in advance!

mark

Mark,

> 
> I am going to try out one of the UT inksets ...
> How does it compare to the old VM neutral results?

It depends on the paper.  With EEM it's a bit cool; on PhotoRag, it should
be "neutral" (C = Y) with a slight "selenium" look (M elevated 0.01 density
unit). 

The UT-FS and UT-FSN inks can be mixed to get the tone you're after.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks Paul!  But I don't quite understand the reply.  I have results 
from the original VM neutralinks/curves, am I to understand that on EEM 
the UT-FSN will be cooler than the VM-N was?  If I go with the UT-FSN I 
would probably be printing on Moab Entrada Bright White or Natural if I 
went with the UT-FS.  From my VM experience, I found that the MW or W 
curves didn't nessacrily work better, but that the warm tone made for a 
much more forgiving print when it came to posterization etc... in truth 
I'd prefer a harsher neutral print if my 1160 is capable of producing 
smooth gradients with no posterizations using the UT-FSN inkset.

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> > 
> > I am going to try out one of the UT inksets ...
> > How does it compare to the old VM neutral results?
> 
> It depends on the paper.  With EEM it's a bit cool; on PhotoRag, it 
should
> be "neutral" (C = Y) with a slight "selenium" look (M elevated 0.01 
density

> unit). 
> 
> The UT-FS and UT-FSN inks can be mixed to get the tone you're after.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Mark,

> I have results
> from the original VM neutralinks/curves, am I to understand that on EEM
> the UT-FSN will be cooler than the VM-N was? 

Actually, I'm not totally sure about the original VM-N curve.  That was made
before I had the spectrophotometer, so I'm not sure it's really neutral.
Suffice it to say that on EEM UT-FSN is a bit cool.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com