Digital BW, The Print

Hi-
I have been lurking here for about 9 months now and found this to be a 
great resource. That being said, a FREE Epson 2000P has fallen into my 
hands and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be worth 
it to buy the UTFS carts from MIS and give it a go. I know that this is 
a 5 year old printer but it surely hasn't seen much use. I haven't seen 
any posts on this particular printer model. Any opinions/suggestions? 
Catherine

> From: catherine1966_02130
>
> I have been lurking here for about 9 months now and found this to be a
> great resource. That being said, a FREE Epson 2000P has fallen into my
> hands and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be worth
> it to buy the UTFS carts from MIS and give it a go. I know that this is
> a 5 year old printer but it surely hasn't seen much use. I haven't seen
> any posts on this particular printer model. Any opinions/suggestions?

I haven't gotten too far with my experiments yet, but I got a few nice test
prints using these inks (actually the UT-FSN) in the 2000P with QuadTone
RIP. However, there are no stock curves, so I've had to make my own, and I
haven't finished tweaking them to my complete satisfaction.

So I think it's worth getting the ink, if you're willing to learn QTR, and
make some curves. I'd give you mine, but I can't promise to get around to
finishing tweaking them soon enough to meet your needs.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> a FREE Epson 2000P has fallen into my
> hands and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be worth
> it to buy the UTFS carts from MIS and give it a go...

If the nozzles aren't clogged, it's an excellent printer, with one of the
best dmaxs in the game.  I set one up for David Brooks at Shutterbug.  It
worked great.  See http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/2000P-FS-Readme.htm for
settings, etc.  See http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/2000P-FS-curves.htm to
download curves for printing with the Epson driver.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> 
> I just want to thank the 2 Pauls for responding to my 2000P 
question. I think I'll give the MIS inks a try with the Epson driver 
and curves first.Thanks again, Catherine
> > a FREE Epson 2000P has fallen into my
> > hands and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be 
worth
> > it to buy the UTFS carts from MIS and give it a go...
> 
> If the nozzles aren't clogged, it's an excellent printer, with one 
of the
> best dmaxs in the game.  I set one up for David Brooks at 
Shutterbug.  It
> worked great.  See http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/2000P-FS-
Readme.htm for
> settings, etc.  See http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/2000P-FS-
curves.htm to

> download curves for printing with the Epson driver.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Catherine-

Please take this note as a "heads up" when using the inks cartridges
supplied by MIS for the 2000p. I recently purchased a set, open the
packages and inserted them into my 2000p. The single, black cartridge
was fine but he color cartridge replacement sent an error message to
the software and lit the red "out of ink" light. I removed the
cartridge and noticed the chip was missing. I contacted MIS customer
service, explained the situation, and they sent me a chip. Along with
the chip were installation instructions that began with a warning
message in bold, red type stating that inserting a cartridge with a
chip would "Cause Fatal Damage to the Printer" which it obviously had
because it would no longer work, even with the new chip. I again
contacted MIS, explained the problem, and they instructed me to send
the printer to them (their cost) and they would fix it. They recently
told me that the error was not the result of using a cartridge without
a chip, which does not make sense to me given their inferior cartridge
and their warning and that the printer was working just fine prior to
putting in a bad cartridge. Anyway, I now have a dead printer, but
inks and paper to produce great B&W prints, if I could just figure out
how to use them! Check the cartridges for chips before you insert
them. You obviously can't trust the MIS folks!!

stanscarpat wrote:

> Along with
> the chip were installation instructions that began with a warning
> message in bold, red type stating that inserting a cartridge with a
> chip would "Cause Fatal Damage to the Printer" 

Just to clarify - the above was supposed to read "...inserting a 
cartridge WITHOUT a chip" would cause damage - right?

Thanks for the heads up.

-- 
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska

> From: stanscarpat
>
> Please take this note as a "heads up" when using the inks cartridges
> supplied by MIS for the 2000p. I recently purchased a set, open the
> packages and inserted them into my 2000p. The single, black cartridge
> was fine but he color cartridge replacement sent an error message to
> the software and lit the red "out of ink" light. I removed the
> cartridge and noticed the chip was missing. I contacted MIS customer
> service, explained the situation, and they sent me a chip. Along with
> the chip were installation instructions that began with a warning
> message in bold, red type stating that inserting a cartridge with a
> chip would "Cause Fatal Damage to the Printer" which it obviously had
> because it would no longer work, even with the new chip. I again
> contacted MIS, explained the problem, and they instructed me to send
> the printer to them (their cost) and they would fix it. They recently
> told me that the error was not the result of using a cartridge without
> a chip, which does not make sense to me given their inferior cartridge
> and their warning and that the printer was working just fine prior to
> putting in a bad cartridge. Anyway, I now have a dead printer, but
> inks and paper to produce great B&W prints, if I could just figure out
> how to use them! Check the cartridges for chips before you insert
> them. You obviously can't trust the MIS folks!!

The harm that a chipless cart can do to the printer is that the metal
springs in the print head that contact the chip get snagged in the
indentation where the chip belongs, and then bent out of shape when the cart
is forcibly removed. If this is what happened, then it's their fault; if
that's not what happened, then it's probably true that something else caused
the printer to go on the blink.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

You can see if those prongs are bent, by looking in the cavity where the
cartridges go. Your black side is a good reference of what the color
side should look like. If the prongs are all messed up, which is very
likely after your chipless insertion, that small black connector which
contains the prongs has to replaced. Really not that hard to do if you
are a bit handy. Now Epson doesn't seem to sell those connectors, so
there is one problem.  In case you do find the connector, like from
another dead printer, it is a manageable DIY repair unless you have no
patience or are all thumbs.
 
What seems inevitable, is really not. If someone inserts a chipless cart
by accident, do not pull it out, but slide a piece of thin 3/4 - 1"
narrow cardboard or plastic between the cart and the head, where the
connector it located. You got to shove it down quite a bit to "cover and
protect" the prongs. After that, the cart can be removed without
damaging the printer.
 
Once you confirm that those prongs are definitely bent out of shape, I
would take it up with MIS again and make them pick up the repair bill.
They have no business shipping out carts without chips. Also that
warning should have been packaged with each cartridge, in a way that you
have to verify the presence of the chip before you can insert it.
 
Frits

-----Original Message-----


The harm that a chipless cart can do to the printer is that the metal
springs in the print head that contact the chip get snagged in the
indentation where the chip belongs, and then bent out of shape when the
cart
is forcibly removed. If this is what happened, then it's their fault; if
that's not what happened, then it's probably true that something else
caused
the printer to go on the blink.
 
--
 
Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
 
 


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