Digital BW, The Print

Hello:

After lurking for some time I decided to try BO printing with an Epson
c84 and the MIS Eboni.  However, before doing this, I printed a test
image using the standard Epson inks, both using all inks, and then
just BO but with the Epson ink.  Then after swapping the black cart
with the Eboni, I printed the same image, BO.

I like the full ink Epson image the best.  It's much smoother and dark
shadows have more detail than the other two.  Dmax seems the same
between all of them.  It's neutral, so no worries there.  I know, it's
not archival. 

Oh yeah, the paper I used is just the Epson Heavyweight Matte, as
that's all I have right now.  But it's an apples to apples comparison,
and I'm a little disappointed in the Eboni.

This was a surprise to me.  Should I go with the full MIS ink b/w
inkset?

(side note:  I've always used Quark to print with.  Worked fine on my
old Epson 780, but with the C84 all images have a course halftone
screen applied to them.  Printing from PS works fine, but I like to
print from Quark as I can put text photo descriptions (time,place,
etc.) under the photo, and still have crisp text.  PS rasterizes the
text, at least PS 7.0 does.  Any ideas here?)

Thanks,

Mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark McCombs"
<lockwood_mccombs@h...> wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> After lurking for some time I decided to try BO printing with an Epson
> c84 and the MIS Eboni.  However, before doing this, I printed a test
> image using the standard Epson inks, both using all inks, and then
> just BO but with the Epson ink.  Then after swapping the black cart
> with the Eboni, I printed the same image, BO.
> 
> I like the full ink Epson image the best.  It's much smoother and dark
> shadows have more detail than the other two.  Dmax seems the same
> between all of them.  It's neutral, so no worries there.  I know, it's
> not archival. 
> 
> Oh yeah, the paper I used is just the Epson Heavyweight Matte, as
> that's all I have right now.  But it's an apples to apples comparison,
> and I'm a little disappointed in the Eboni.
> 
> This was a surprise to me.  Should I go with the full MIS ink b/w
> inkset?
> 
> (side note:  I've always used Quark to print with.  Worked fine on my
> old Epson 780, but with the C84 all images have a course halftone
> screen applied to them.  Printing from PS works fine, but I like to
> print from Quark as I can put text photo descriptions (time,place,
> etc.) under the photo, and still have crisp text.  PS rasterizes the
> text, at least PS 7.0 does.  Any ideas here?)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark


bump?

I am not familiar with your printer but would suggest that if you like the
smoothness of the Epson image then yes you should focus in on full MIS B&W
ink sets.

> From: Mark McCombs <lockwood_mccombs@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:22:15 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: My Eboni C84 MIS BO experience..........
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark McCombs"
> <lockwood_mccombs@h...> wrote:
>> Hello:
>> 
>> After lurking for some time I decided to try BO printing with an Epson
>> c84 and the MIS Eboni.  However, before doing this, I printed a test
>> image using the standard Epson inks, both using all inks, and then
>> just BO but with the Epson ink.  Then after swapping the black cart
>> with the Eboni, I printed the same image, BO.
>> 
>> I like the full ink Epson image the best.  It's much smoother and dark
>> shadows have more detail than the other two.  Dmax seems the same
>> between all of them.  It's neutral, so no worries there.  I know, it's
>> not archival. 
>> 
>> Oh yeah, the paper I used is just the Epson Heavyweight Matte, as
>> that's all I have right now.  But it's an apples to apples comparison,
>> and I'm a little disappointed in the Eboni.
>> 
>> This was a surprise to me.  Should I go with the full MIS ink b/w
>> inkset?
>> 
>> (side note:  I've always used Quark to print with.  Worked fine on my
>> old Epson 780, but with the C84 all images have a course halftone
>> screen applied to them.  Printing from PS works fine, but I like to
>> print from Quark as I can put text photo descriptions (time,place,
>> etc.) under the photo, and still have crisp text.  PS rasterizes the
>> text, at least PS 7.0 does.  Any ideas here?)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> I am not familiar with your printer but would suggest that if you
like the
> smoothness of the Epson image then yes you should focus in on full
MIS B&W
> ink sets.


thanks for your insight Steve.

Mark

On 8/24/05, Mark McCombs <lockwood_mccombs@...> wrote:

> After lurking for some time I decided to try BO printing with an Epson
> c84 and the MIS Eboni.  However, before doing this, I printed a test
> image using the standard Epson inks, both using all inks, and then
> just BO but with the Epson ink.  Then after swapping the black cart
> with the Eboni, I printed the same image, BO.
> 
> I like the full ink Epson image the best.  It's much smoother and dark
> shadows have more detail than the other two.  Dmax seems the same
> between all of them.  It's neutral, so no worries there.  I know, it's
> not archival.
 
<snippity-do-dah>

> This was a surprise to me.  Should I go with the full MIS ink b/w
> inkset?

I use a C86 and was never happy when I tried BO printing, either with
Epson ink or Eboni.  The full Epson ink set wasn't so great either,
but smoother, yes.  I've switched to the MIS EZ inks and they do a
really nice job.  I'd recommend giving them a try.

-- 
Lee Hiers, AA4GA
"Have Dobro Will Travel"