Digital BW, The Print

Hi all;

Now that I have a printer that can use gloss optimizer, I'm hoping to 
find a 3rd party version that is clear enough not to affect the color 
of the highlight values. Has anyone bought the MIS recently? Has that 
been improved? What other choices (other than Epson that is) are out 
there that anyone has tried?

Thanks

Steve Karafyllakis

Steve.
  I bought and used MIS glop recenty. It is still tea-colored in the bottle. Using QTR, I set 
the value at a fixed 16000. On Kirkland paper it cut down almost all the gloss differential. 
As far as dulling the highlights, it didn't. I had set all the output values including 0. So 
although I printed an 5x7 on an 8x10 page, it was covering the nonimage portion with 
glop as well. I stopped it about half way down the page. Along the edge where there was a 
sharp border, you could only see the border if you held it just-right in the light. Where the 
printing stopped, and therefore transitioned smoothly from full glop to no glop, where 
only some head passes had completed, I couldn't find the border at all. There is a very 
slight decrease in the glossiness of the paper where the glop has been applied.

My previous experience was not as successful. Apparently the cleaning cart that I used had 
some coloration in it and it took quite a while to flush all traces of color out. My nozzle 
checks showed a very faint gray, and my prints looked veiled. Now I can't see the nozzle 
check pattern at all on plain paper. (I haven't tried a nozzle check on Kirkland.) But the 
gloss differential is way down so something must be coming out. All in all I would say it 
seems to be working well.

Costa




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> 
wrote:

> Hi all;
> 
> Now that I have a printer that can use gloss optimizer, I'm hoping to 
> find a 3rd party version that is clear enough not to affect the color 
> of the highlight values. Has anyone bought the MIS recently? Has that 
> been improved? What other choices (other than Epson that is) are out 
> there that anyone has tried?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis

I recently made a profile for a printer that used the WeInk set of inks 
for the 1800, and the GLOP had minimal color change to the paper white. 
It was printed on a luster paper, so I can't comment on how it would 
look on a full gloss paper.

This sound interesting-do you know what the glop looks like in a 
bottle? is it clear or tea-colored like the UC base fluid?

As for your profile, did you set it up for full coverage, or 
proportional?  I'm trying to use the Epson semi-matte, and was 
surprised to find that the Epson glop (applied either way) does a very 
inadequate job on that paper. The MIS does much better, but getting 
enough on the paper does affect the whites a bit.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dfaprinting" 
<dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
> I recently made a profile for a printer that used the WeInk set of 
inks 
> for the 1800, and the GLOP had minimal color change to the paper 
white. 
> It was printed on a luster paper, so I can't comment on how it would 
> look on a full gloss paper.

Thanks, Costa;

I will be getting some refillables soon, and since I have some MIS I 
will certainly try it again. 

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ccolbertbw" 
<ccolbert@u...> wrote:
> Steve.
>   I bought and used MIS glop recenty. It is still tea-colored in 
the bottle. Using QTR, I set 
> the value at a fixed 16000. On Kirkland paper it cut down almost 
all the gloss differential. 
> As far as dulling the highlights, it didn't. I had set all the 
output values including 0. So 
> although I printed an 5x7 on an 8x10 page, it was covering the 
nonimage portion with 
> glop as well. I stopped it about half way down the page. Along the 
edge where there was a 
> sharp border, you could only see the border if you held it just-
right in the light. Where the 
> printing stopped, and therefore transitioned smoothly from full 
glop to no glop, where 
> only some head passes had completed, I couldn't find the border at 
all. There is a very 
> slight decrease in the glossiness of the paper where the glop has 
been applied.
> 
> My previous experience was not as successful. Apparently the 
cleaning cart that I used had 
> some coloration in it and it took quite a while to flush all 
traces of color out. My nozzle 
> checks showed a very faint gray, and my prints looked veiled. Now 
I can't see the nozzle 
> check pattern at all on plain paper. (I haven't tried a nozzle 
check on Kirkland.) But the 
> gloss differential is way down so something must be coming out. 
All in all I would say it 
> seems to be working well.
> 
> Costa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi all;
> > 
> > Now that I have a printer that can use gloss optimizer, I'm 
hoping to 
> > find a 3rd party version that is clear enough not to affect the 
color 
> > of the highlight values. Has anyone bought the MIS recently? Has 
that 
> > been improved? What other choices (other than Epson that is) are 
out 

> > there that anyone has tried?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Steve Karafyllakis

I would take a look at the new base inks first - you may find you don't need
glop or at least such a small amount that colour is not affected.

> From: Steven Karafyllakis <steve@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:17:10 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Whats new in the world of Glop
> 
> Thanks, Costa;
> 
> I will be getting some refillables soon, and since I have some MIS I
> will certainly try it again.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis

That's a good point, Steve!

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> I would take a look at the new base inks first - you may find you 
don't need

> glop or at least such a small amount that colour is not affected.
> 
> 
> > From: Steven Karafyllakis <steve@s...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:17:10 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Whats new in the world of Glop
> > 
> > Thanks, Costa;
> > 
> > I will be getting some refillables soon, and since I have some MIS I
> > will certainly try it again.
> > 
> > Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> This sound interesting-do you know what the glop looks like in a 
> bottle? is it clear or tea-colored like the UC base fluid?
> 
> As for your profile, did you set it up for full coverage, or 
> proportional?

I was making the profile for someone else, so I'm not entirely sure 
if it was full coverage, or only to fill in the white areas. The 
target was printed on Inkjet Art Micro Ceramic luster (same as Epson 
premium luster 250?) and the GLOP covered white area was more glossy 
than the unprinted paper. All the patches on the target had about the 
same amount of gloss if that helps.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> That's a good point, Steve!
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
> <stevekale@b...> wrote:
> > I would take a look at the new base inks first - you may find you 
> don't need
> > glop or at least such a small amount that colour is not affected.
> > 


Yes it is a good point.