Digital BW, The Print

Richard..
I think you would be inviting a "disaster"..not that the re-filling itself
is messy, but you do need to TWIST and TURN those rubber plugs to get a
positive seal..(Not to mention the possibility of LOSING a rubber plug
inside your printer when you remove them!)..I'ts OK to be a "LITTLE"
lazy..but I wouldn't push it....

Just my 2 cents coming from 2 1280's with MIS spongeless carts, and four
(Epson) printers total with CFS/CIS set-ups....BTW..I don't think I'd EVER
go back to the CIS/CFS hassles..I think at least 3 of my printers died a
pre-mature death from EXTRA cleaning cycles/purges/ Windex on paper towels
in the "trough"..Not to mention the AMOUNT of ink consumed in these
processes..

Eddie Wiseman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard_h95050" <richardh@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:42 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS Spongeless carts and a question


Has any brave soul tried refilling the spongeless carts on an 1160,
1280 or 2200 without removing them from the printer?

I've got some auto-reset chips for the 1280 and 2200, and it sure
would be nice to just top off the various positions with a syringe as
needed without having to pull the carts and re-prime them. Yep, I'm
definitely being lazy ;>)

Just a thought, but I'd be interested to hear if anyone has done it...

Cheers!
Richard






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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Wiseman" 
<pahts@c...> wrote:
> Richard..
> I think you would be inviting a "disaster"..not that the re-filling 
itself is messy, but you do need to TWIST and TURN those rubber plugs 
to get a positive seal..(snip)...
> 
> ....BTW..I don't think I'd EVER go back to the CIS/CFS hassles..I 
think at least 3 of my printers died a pre-mature death from EXTRA 
cleaning cycles/purges/ Windex on paper towels in the "trough"...
> 

Hi Eddie,

I agree on both points! I really don't think the MIS supplied cart 
design is a good one with respect to those little rubber plugs, and I 
would never entertain wrestling with them inside my printer. There 
are definite options to that issue, so whether I fill carts in or out 
of the printer, I'm not inclined to spend much time on the plugs.

Like yourself, I have used quite a few CIS equipped printers over the 
years and "fought the good fight" with them. These days, most of my 
production printing is done on wide-format Epsons so I don't put 
enough paper and ink through my desktop machines to warrant the 
maintenance of keeping a CIS running smoothly.

I use 13" machines for certain tasks and sometimes intensively, and 
among them is working with different inksets. Individual carts are 
definitely the way to go, but when it comes to pulling carts and 
refilling them, I guess I'm looking for the happy medium between the 
convenience of "topping up the bottles" on a CIS and the much lower 
maintenance of carts. 

What, me lazy? Naw -- I just want the best of both worlds ;>)

Cheers!
Richard

I have no problems refilling the carts while they are in the printer.
I found the easiest way to remove the rubber plug is to use a sharp
clothes pin, like the one that comes with your brand new shirt. Bend
the tip a little and poke at an angle almost through the rubber to
pick it out and replace it back very easily. Less chance of it flying
off. Even if you poke through the rubber, it's self healing so you
shouldn't have any problems.

--nick

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050"
<richardh@j...> wrote:

> ... I just want the best of both worlds ;>)
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard

Thanks, Nick.

I'm curious about which printer and inkset you're using? 

I realize the plugs are a concern for many and appreciate everyone's 
words of caution -- however, aside from that I'm much more interested 
in knowing if there are any other "gotchas" ;>)

Sounds like you've had good luck and not encountered any down-sides...

Cheers!
Richard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nick H. Nugent" 
<nghin@p...> wrote:
> I have no problems refilling the carts while they are in the
printer.
> I found the easiest way to remove the rubber plug is to use a sharp
> clothes pin, like the one that comes with your brand new shirt. Bend
> the tip a little and poke at an angle almost through the rubber to
> pick it out and replace it back very easily. Less chance of it
flying
> off. Even if you poke through the rubber, it's self healing so you
> shouldn't have any problems.
> 
> --nick
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"richard_h95050"

> <richardh@j...> wrote:
> > ... I just want the best of both worlds ;>)
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > Richard

Like Richard, I am lazy.  I've been refilling the spongeless carts while in 
my 1280 for some time now.  Yes, the plugs are a problem, but less so than when 
the carts are out of the printer, because the carts are held stationary and I 
can use two hands to work the plug out.  If MIS would only make them about 
1/8 inch longer!   I use a sharp curved dental pick to work them out.  I removed 
the cart covers and made a metal clip to hold the carts down.  This way the 
plugs are accessible and the ink level is visible.  I suppose tape could work 
for this.  I found I must make the printer do a cart replacement cleaning to 
reprime the cart vents.  I do this by pressing the yellow button to send the 
carriage to the left side of the printer, lifting the black cart until the red 
inkout light goes on, push the cart back, and press the yellow button again.  I 
use the SSC utility to reset the standard chips while in the printer.  This 
way the driver tells me when the ink is running low.

Tom Wells