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C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?

C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?

2005-09-06 by davidh4976

I just started using a C84 with EZN inks and am really pleased with the 
initial results!  Finally, I have inkjet B&W that I would be proud to 
hang on my wall. My thanks go out to all of you who have contributed 
answers on this forum (and particularly to the seemingly tireless 
Clayton Jones)! But, of course now I have some questions that might 
help my understanding and work flow:

If an image is grayscale mode in photoshop, will it print 'black only' 
on a C84 even if BO is not selected on the printer driver?  

Does a B&W image have to be in RGB in order to use all four inks?

Thanks,
David

RE: [Digital BW] C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?

2005-09-07 by Paul Roark

Whether the printer prints BO or with all the colors is determined by a
setting in the printer.  If "Black Ink Only" on the "Advanced" (last) driver
Properties box is checked, the printer will print BO, if not, all the ink
positions are used, whether the file was grayscale or RGB.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> davidh4976
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> Subject: [Digital BW] C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?
> 
> I just started using a C84 with EZN inks and am really pleased with the
> initial results!  Finally, I have inkjet B&W that I would be proud to
> hang on my wall. My thanks go out to all of you who have contributed
> answers on this forum (and particularly to the seemingly tireless
> Clayton Jones)! But, of course now I have some questions that might
> help my understanding and work flow:
> 
> If an image is grayscale mode in photoshop, will it print 'black only'
> on a C84 even if BO is not selected on the printer driver?
> 
> Does a B&W image have to be in RGB in order to use all four inks?
> 
> Thanks,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?

2005-09-07 by davidh4976

Thanks!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Whether the printer prints BO or with all the colors is determined 
by a
> setting in the printer.  If "Black Ink Only" on the "Advanced" 
(last) driver
> Properties box is checked, the printer will print BO, if not, all 
the ink
> positions are used, whether the file was grayscale or RGB.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > davidh4976
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:54 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?
> > 
> > I just started using a C84 with EZN inks and am really pleased 
with the
> > initial results!  Finally, I have inkjet B&W that I would be 
proud to
> > hang on my wall. My thanks go out to all of you who have 
contributed
> > answers on this forum (and particularly to the seemingly tireless
> > Clayton Jones)! But, of course now I have some questions that 
might
> > help my understanding and work flow:
> > 
> > If an image is grayscale mode in photoshop, will it print 'black 
only'
> > on a C84 even if BO is not selected on the printer driver?
> > 
> > Does a B&W image have to be in RGB in order to use all four inks?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
resources as
> > they are often being updated.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you 
wish to
> > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
this same
> > page.
> > 
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
messages to keep
> > them short.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or 
flames.
> > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
> > membership without notice.
> > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of 
digital B&W
> > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be 
removed from
> > the membership.
> > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules 
and
> > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the 
group Owner
> > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the 
Files
> > section:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
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THE PRINT
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AND
> > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE 
LIABLE TO
> > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL 
OR
> > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS 
OF
> > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF 
THE
> > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP 
HAVE BEEN
> > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) 
THE USE
> > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; 
(ii)
> > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR 
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PRINT
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Re: C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?

2005-09-07 by Mark McCombs

David:

We have the same set-ups (C84 for b/w), and we both seem rather new to
it.  However, I didn't like look with BO (too harsh, adding contrast
that the file didn't have), and now have the complete EZN set, which
I'm liking much better.  Are you doing BO or full inkset?

I've also found I like the Epson Enhanced Matte as well as anything
else, and it's supposed to last about 70+ years, I guess.  What paper
are you liking?

Mark

Re: C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?

2005-09-12 by davidh4976

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark McCombs" 
<lockwood_mccombs@h...> wrote:
> David:
> 
> We have the same set-ups (C84 for b/w), and we both seem rather new to
> it.  However, I didn't like look with BO (too harsh, adding contrast
> that the file didn't have), and now have the complete EZN set, which
> I'm liking much better.  Are you doing BO or full inkset?
> 
> I've also found I like the Epson Enhanced Matte as well as anything
> else, and it's supposed to last about 70+ years, I guess.  What paper
> are you liking?
> 
> Mark

Mark, I'm using the full ink set.  I've tried printing from full color 
images and from images converted to B&W.  I am having better results 
with the converted images.  I started my experimenting with some Epson 
Heavyweight Matte that I had around.  EEM looks quite good.  I have 
some Photo Rag on order and some Moab Kayenta on order.

Best regards,
David

Re: C84 Mode vs. BO/RGB?

2005-09-12 by Mark McCombs

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "davidh4976"
<davidh4976@g...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark McCombs" 

> Mark, I'm using the full ink set.  I've tried printing from full color 
> images and from images converted to B&W.  I am having better results 
> with the converted images.  I started my experimenting with some Epson 
> Heavyweight Matte that I had around.  EEM looks quite good.  I have 
> some Photo Rag on order and some Moab Kayenta on order.
> 
> Best regards,
> David

Thanks, David.  I printed some images over the weekend using EEM, and
found it to be awesome.  Great d-max, much better than Crane's Museo.
 I got the Fine Art sample pack from MIS, so I'm trying some of those.
 But so far I like the EEM best, and the price is great.

I'm am interested in the Hannemuhle (sp?) Rag, as I saw an exhibit
over the weekend using that and it looked quite nice.

Keep me posted, I'd like to hear how you like it vs. the EEM.

Mark

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