Digital BW, The Print

My suggestion is to dry mount it; I do that with all my prints , inkjet and other and have never had a problem. There are psa systems but my experience is that they ultimately start to let go and billow up toward the glass.

Ian



Message: 3         
   Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:10:03 -0000

   From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
Subject: Re: FAQ? HP 8750 vs. Epson R2400 for B&W

ok, I was the one who mentioned HP Premium Plus Glossy puckering up and 
contacting the glass when hinged behind an 8-ply museum mat.  If a 
traditional archival hinged mat sandwich is the wrong way to mount this 
paper, what are you saying is the right way to do it?

mark

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The PMA-568 adhesive comes with a hard plastic squeegee, and I suspect many
people don't really press it down thoroughly and completely, leading to
future release.
I use a rubber J roller, like what is used for laminating or veneering with
contact cement.  I assure you it is very permanent after that, and _can't_
be removed.

Best regards,
John Moody

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Subject: [Digital BW] Re:FAQ? HP 8750 vs Epson 2400 for B&W

My suggestion is to dry mount it; I do that with all my prints , inkjet and
other and have never had a problem. There are psa systems but my experience
is that they ultimately start to let go and billow up toward the glass.

Ian



Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:10:03 -0000
   From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
Subject: Re: FAQ? HP 8750 vs. Epson R2400 for B&W

ok, I was the one who mentioned HP Premium Plus Glossy puckering up and
contacting the glass when hinged behind an 8-ply museum mat.  If a
traditional archival hinged mat sandwich is the wrong way to mount this
paper, what are you saying is the right way to do it?

mark




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I would say the problem is a lack of adequate overlap of mat and print...

> 
> 
> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:10:03 -0000
>    From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
> Subject: Re: FAQ? HP 8750 vs. Epson R2400 for B&W
> 
> ok, I was the one who mentioned HP Premium Plus Glossy puckering up and
> contacting the glass when hinged behind an 8-ply museum mat.  If a
> traditional archival hinged mat sandwich is the wrong way to mount this
> paper, what are you saying is the right way to do it?
> 
> mark

And how does that reduce the image area from swelling?  With paper, 
clamping boundary conditions have very little effect past several 
inches... like at the center of a print.

I've experimented with this, the better solution is to print edge to 
edge and cover the border with a neutral gray so that the paper more 
or less swells equally.  The prints still swell variably with ink 
density, but it is better.

What are you limiting your print size to?  Only print 8x10s on your 
8750?  

If you can't frame large prints from a 8750, then there isn't any 
reason to make them so I guess there is no reason for anyone to 
consider this printer in your opinion?

HP prints also take much more than a week to totally dry down, and 
the worst problem I had was framing prints after only 8 days... but 
sometimes you want to show brand new work and not just pull prints 
that are months old...

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> I would say the problem is a lack of adequate overlap of mat and 
print...
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Message: 3
> >    Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:10:03 -0000
> >    From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@y...>
> > Subject: Re: FAQ? HP 8750 vs. Epson R2400 for B&W
> > 
> > ok, I was the one who mentioned HP Premium Plus Glossy puckering 
up and
> > contacting the glass when hinged behind an 8-ply museum mat.  If a
> > traditional archival hinged mat sandwich is the wrong way to 
mount this

> > paper, what are you saying is the right way to do it?
> > 
> > mark

I have been told that museums will not touch mounted photos... and 
even though there are no museums looking to purchase my prints ;) my 
collectors are also somewhat aware of this and would prefer unmounted 
photos.

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
<moodymz3@y...> wrote:
> The PMA-568 adhesive comes with a hard plastic squeegee, and I 
suspect many
> people don't really press it down thoroughly and completely, 
leading to
> future release.
> I use a rubber J roller, like what is used for laminating or 
veneering with
> contact cement.  I assure you it is very permanent after that, and 
_can't_
> be removed.
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> photoian@c...
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:07 PM
> To: Group
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re:FAQ? HP 8750 vs Epson 2400 for B&W
> 
> My suggestion is to dry mount it; I do that with all my prints , 
inkjet and
> other and have never had a problem. There are psa systems but my 
experience
> is that they ultimately start to let go and billow up toward the 
glass.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:10:03 -0000
>    From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@y...>
> Subject: Re: FAQ? HP 8750 vs. Epson R2400 for B&W
> 
> ok, I was the one who mentioned HP Premium Plus Glossy puckering up 
and
> contacting the glass when hinged behind an 8-ply museum mat.  If a
> traditional archival hinged mat sandwich is the wrong way to mount 
this

> paper, what are you saying is the right way to do it?
> 
> mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 03:54:19AM -0000, Mark Hahn wrote:
> I have been told that museums will not touch mounted photos...

Interesting.  How come?

> and 
> even though there are no museums looking to purchase my prints ;) my 
> collectors are also somewhat aware of this and would prefer unmounted 
> photos.
> 
> mark

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