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Re: [Digital BW] Very warm prints with an HP Photosmart 8150

2005-09-16 by David Herrod

Hello David,

I have had the same problem with my Epson 1160 printer and Lyson Quad Black inks. I fell for MIS Ultratone inks to overcome the metamerism problem. So far I haven't produced an acceptable print at all using these inks. I get posterised prints, not continuous tone and haven't found a solution yet. I'm tempted to go back to Lyson and accept the warm tones when viewed by artificial light. So, beware! Know what you are jumping into before you do it.

Another David.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dannysoar 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:47 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Very warm prints with an HP Photosmart 8150


  Hello-
  I am trying to make B&W prints from negatives I make in old cameras
  and process the old fashioned way. I am scanning my negatives on my
  neighbors Dimage Dual II. My current tussle is with the printer.

  My old printer had a heart attack and went to printer heaven right in
  the middle of a deadline panic. So credit card in hand I zipped off to
  Staples prepared to buy the cheapest replcement. But I was seduced by
  the fact that the HP Photosmart 8150 could run a black cartridge 
  with three grays.

  The trouble is that under incandescents it prints three warm browns,
  very nice warm browns that are three warm grays in sunlight. I have
  been exchanging a multitude of e-mails with the HP help department
  since early July. So far they sent me a replacement cartridge and have
  replaced the entire printer, to no avail.

  I'm afraid this is metamerism (sp). If so I suppose there is nothing I
  can do until Hewlett the P changes the ink. And I should face the fact
  that I was bedazzled by a cheap and tawdry $150 orchestra of bells and
  whistles .. and a brass band and the Morman Tabernacle Choir. 

  I have been using Photoshop Elements, HP Premium Plus paper and the HP
  #100 gray cartridge.

  It was suggested that I try Ilford Smooth Pearl. What do you think?

  Maybe I can make a virtue out of necessity. The warm prints are very
  nice. But I would like to have a neutral black from time to time.


  Any advice and information is very welcome. 
     David 







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Re: [Digital BW] Very warm prints with an HP Photosmart 8150

2005-09-17 by dannysoar

David- The mystery of the thing is as frustrating as the toned prints. If the 
problem is metamerism (or whatever the effect should be called). The HP 8150 is 
hardly an exotic device. I am using the same ink and paper as most people. So, 
why me? Am I the only one?

Why aren't the streets of the web full of peasants who are trying to make B&W 
with this mass marketed printer marching, pitch forks and torches aloft, on 
Hewlett the P's castle?
David




David Herrod wrote:
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> Hello David,
> 
> I have had the same problem with my Epson 1160 printer and Lyson Quad 
> Black inks. I fell for MIS Ultratone inks to overcome the metamerism 
> problem. So far I haven't produced an acceptable print at all using 
> these inks. I get posterised prints, not continuous tone and haven't 
> found a solution yet. I'm tempted to go back to Lyson and accept the 
> warm tones when viewed by artificial light. So, beware! Know what you 
> are jumping into before you do it.
> 
> Another David.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: dannysoar
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:47 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Very warm prints with an HP Photosmart 8150
> 
> 
>   Hello-
>   I am trying to make B&W prints from negatives I make in old cameras
>   and process the old fashioned way. I am scanning my negatives on my
>   neighbors Dimage Dual II. My current tussle is with the printer.
> 
>   My old printer had a heart attack and went to printer heaven right in
>   the middle of a deadline panic. So credit card in hand I zipped off to
>   Staples prepared to buy the cheapest replcement. But I was seduced by
>   the fact that the HP Photosmart 8150 could run a black cartridge
>   with three grays.
> 
>   The trouble is that under incandescents it prints three warm browns,
>   very nice warm browns that are three warm grays in sunlight. I have
>   been exchanging a multitude of e-mails with the HP help department
>   since early July. So far they sent me a replacement cartridge and have
>   replaced the entire printer, to no avail.
> 
>   I'm afraid this is metamerism (sp). If so I suppose there is nothing I
>   can do until Hewlett the P changes the ink. And I should face the fact
>   that I was bedazzled by a cheap and tawdry $150 orchestra of bells and
>   whistles .. and a brass band and the Morman Tabernacle Choir.
> 
>   I have been using Photoshop Elements, HP Premium Plus paper and the HP
>   #100 gray cartridge.
> 
>   It was suggested that I try Ilford Smooth Pearl. What do you think?
> 
>   Maybe I can make a virtue out of necessity. The warm prints are very
>   nice. But I would like to have a neutral black from time to time.
> 
> 
>   Any advice and information is very welcome.
>      David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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