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Zone, instruments, Ansel

Zone, instruments, Ansel

2005-09-30 by djon43

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/zone_system.shtml

Ansel's system centered on TRAINING THE EYE to previsualize and
control B&W from color scenes. It only SECONDARILY utilized densitometry.

Slightly knowing the man (a customer) and better knowing some of his
disciples, it was obvious that he attracted attracted anal retentive
types, some of whom became fine scenic photographers (as opposed to
portrait, journalistic, or illustrative), many of whom became
merchants in tourist galleries (as in Carmel, Moab, NYC). 

AA's B&W gospel was not the ultimate and his densitometry was just a
particular spin. 

Ansel's particular spin on Zone System was, in addition to his own
obsessive mindset, substantially due to the fact that films and papers
were not as predictable in his early days as they became in the
Sixties (the B&W materials...critical color still required testing,
batch-by-batch, but skilled color photographers worked VISUALLY,
developed advanced VISUAL skills, just as Ansel taught in B&W) . 

Ansel elected to use densitometry when it became available. His early
prints weren't technically as wonderful by modern standards as were
the early images themselves, due to his aspirations, not to early lack
of densitometer...if you've seen his life's work in hundreds of
original prints you see that. 

Ansel's primary technical gift to us (facilitated by Minor White, the
better teacher) was PREVISUALIZION of zones: Learning reliably to see
specific zones of grey in color scenes, controlling them in exposure,
processing, and printing.  

The beginning and center of that process was learning to identify Zone
Five...which EVERYBODY in the 60s and 70s had to learn visually,
whether or not they ever heard of Zone System or Ansel: Basic proper
use the TTL meters in the various FTNs, F1s and Spotmatics...which are
designed specifically for Zone Five (same as Kodak's grey card).

Re: [Digital BW] Zone, instruments, Ansel

2005-09-30 by hogarth@snappydsl.net

But what's your point? Are you trying to start a discussion about 
something? Are you trying to ask a question? Just pontificating? What?
--
Bruce Watson

djon43 wrote:
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>
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/zone_system.shtml
>
> Ansel's system centered on TRAINING THE EYE to previsualize and
> control B&W from color scenes. It only SECONDARILY utilized densitometry.
>
> Slightly knowing the man (a customer) and better knowing some of his
> disciples, it was obvious that he attracted attracted anal retentive
> types, some of whom became fine scenic photographers (as opposed to
> portrait, journalistic, or illustrative), many of whom became
> merchants in tourist galleries (as in Carmel, Moab, NYC).
>
> AA's B&W gospel was not the ultimate and his densitometry was just a
> particular spin.
>
> Ansel's particular spin on Zone System was, in addition to his own
> obsessive mindset, substantially due to the fact that films and papers
> were not as predictable in his early days as they became in the
> Sixties (the B&W materials...critical color still required testing,
> batch-by-batch, but skilled color photographers worked VISUALLY,
> developed advanced VISUAL skills, just as Ansel taught in B&W) .
>
> Ansel elected to use densitometry when it became available. His early
> prints weren't technically as wonderful by modern standards as were
> the early images themselves, due to his aspirations, not to early lack
> of densitometer...if you've seen his life's work in hundreds of
> original prints you see that.
>
> Ansel's primary technical gift to us (facilitated by Minor White, the
> better teacher) was PREVISUALIZION of zones: Learning reliably to see
> specific zones of grey in color scenes, controlling them in exposure,
> processing, and printing. 
>
> The beginning and center of that process was learning to identify Zone
> Five...which EVERYBODY in the 60s and 70s had to learn visually,
> whether or not they ever heard of Zone System or Ansel: Basic proper
> use the TTL meters in the various FTNs, F1s and Spotmatics...which are
> designed specifically for Zone Five (same as Kodak's grey card).
>

Re: [Digital BW] Zone, instruments, Ansel

2005-09-30 by john dean

Ansel? Didn't he die awhile back?



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, hogarth@s... wrote:
> But what's your point? Are you trying to start a discussion about 
> something? Are you trying to ask a question? Just pontificating? What?
> --
> Bruce Watson
> 
> djon43 wrote:
> 
> >
> > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/zone_system.shtml
> >
> > Ansel's system centered on TRAINING THE EYE to previsualize and
> > control B&W from color scenes. It only SECONDARILY utilized
densitometry.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> >
> > Slightly knowing the man (a customer) and better knowing some of his
> > disciples, it was obvious that he attracted attracted anal retentive
> > types, some of whom became fine scenic photographers (as opposed to
> > portrait, journalistic, or illustrative), many of whom became
> > merchants in tourist galleries (as in Carmel, Moab, NYC).
> >
> > AA's B&W gospel was not the ultimate and his densitometry was just a
> > particular spin.
> >
> > Ansel's particular spin on Zone System was, in addition to his own
> > obsessive mindset, substantially due to the fact that films and papers
> > were not as predictable in his early days as they became in the
> > Sixties (the B&W materials...critical color still required testing,
> > batch-by-batch, but skilled color photographers worked VISUALLY,
> > developed advanced VISUAL skills, just as Ansel taught in B&W) .
> >
> > Ansel elected to use densitometry when it became available. His early
> > prints weren't technically as wonderful by modern standards as were
> > the early images themselves, due to his aspirations, not to early lack
> > of densitometer...if you've seen his life's work in hundreds of
> > original prints you see that.
> >
> > Ansel's primary technical gift to us (facilitated by Minor White, the
> > better teacher) was PREVISUALIZION of zones: Learning reliably to see
> > specific zones of grey in color scenes, controlling them in exposure,
> > processing, and printing. 
> >
> > The beginning and center of that process was learning to identify Zone
> > Five...which EVERYBODY in the 60s and 70s had to learn visually,
> > whether or not they ever heard of Zone System or Ansel: Basic proper
> > use the TTL meters in the various FTNs, F1s and Spotmatics...which are
> > designed specifically for Zone Five (same as Kodak's grey card).
> >

RE: [Digital BW] Zone, instruments, Ansel

2005-10-01 by Ken Carney

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of john dean
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:04 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Zone, instruments, Ansel
> 
> Ansel? Didn't he die awhile back?

	Yes, I'm sorry to report.  About the year of '85 as I recall. Bad
ticker.  Nice guy, some good pix along the way, and he was really into the
b&w thing. He would have been a good addition to the list.

Re: [Digital BW] Zone, instruments, Ansel

2005-10-01 by john dean

Yea, he coulda leaned something


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney"
<kcarney1@c...> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of john dean
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:04 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Zone, instruments, Ansel
> > 
> > Ansel? Didn't he die awhile back?
> 
> 	Yes, I'm sorry to report.  About the year of '85 as I recall. Bad
> ticker.  Nice guy, some good pix along the way, and he was really
into the
> b&w thing. He would have been a good addition to the list.

Re: [Digital BW] Zone, instruments, Ansel

2005-10-01 by djon43

Bruce, I'm sorry you don't understand my post. 

John Kelly


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, hogarth@s... wrote:
> But what's your point? Are you trying to start a discussion about 
> something? Are you trying to ask a question? Just pontificating? What?
> --
> Bruce Watson
> 
> djon43 wrote:
> 
> >
> > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/zone_system.shtml
> >
> > Ansel's system centered on TRAINING THE EYE to previsualize and
> > control B&W from color scenes. It only SECONDARILY utilized
densitometry.
> >

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