Digital BW, The Print

At the risk of asking question that's been covered before, has anyone
compared an Epson 2200 using MIS UT7 inks with an Epson 2400 using
Epson inks?  More specifically, I hear that folks are really pleased
with the 2400's capabability with B&W, but I already have the 2200 and
I'd rather avoid the added expense of a new printer if I can avoid it.
 Additionally, I generally print on mat papers.

If there are threads that discuss these two combinations specifically,
please point me there, or share your personal experiences.

Thank you,
Robert Ades

I have used the 2200 with MIS UT 7 inks and found it
to be quite good. Paul's curves gives you a great many
options for various tonal desires.

However I just purchased an R2400 and would not want
to go back. Quite simply, the ease with which a good
B&W print can be made, complete with full toning
options is just too good to pass up. Plus you have
what is undoubtedly the best color printer made yet by
Epson (I am talking about color quality and not
comparing the R2400  with upper end products like the
4800 and 7800)

I Have made many fine prints with the 2200 using both
UT 7, and the UC inks with Eboni MK. I used both
Imageprint and QTR RIPs. It can be done for certain.

Let the budget decide!

Hope this helps
Woody Spedden

--- Robert <office@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
At the risk of asking question that's been covered
before, has anyone
compared an Epson 2200 using MIS UT7 inks with an
Epson 2400 using
Epson inks?  More specifically, I hear that folks are
really pleased
with the 2400's capabability with B&W, but I already
have the 2200 and
I'd rather avoid the added expense of a new printer if
I can avoid it.
 Additionally, I generally print on mat papers.

If there are threads that discuss these two
combinations specifically,
please point me there, or share your personal
experiences.

Thank you,
Robert Ades




Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files,
and other resources as they are often being updated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily
digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your
Membership preferences by visiting this same page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of
earlier messages to keep them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal
attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or
argumentative users may be removed from the membership
without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group
topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently
make off-topic posts may be removed from the
membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the
group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the
actions and decisions of the group Owner and
Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in
the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE
DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY
UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd
OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE
LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL,
SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN
IF THE  \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE
PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY
OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE
INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF
YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE
PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING
TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.


      

      SPONSORED LINKS  
                                               
Digital wedding photography                           
        Learn digital photography                     
              Digital photography college             
                                                 
Digital photography                                   
Digital photography web site                          
         Digital photography course                   
                                 
    
---------------------------------
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

  
    Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on
the web.
   
    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
   
    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
Terms of Service.

  
---------------------------------

Woody:

Using mat paper, can you be more specific about how the two printer
setups compare in image quality with B&W?  For instance, is the dMax
different?  How about the tonal rendition and the shadow detail?

Secondarily, with color, and again on mat paper, have you compared
your new 2400 with the 1800?

Thank you,
Robert Ades

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Elwood Spedden
<elwood@w...> wrote:

> I have used the 2200 with MIS UT 7 inks and found it
> to be quite good. Paul's curves gives you a great many
> options for various tonal desires.
> 
> However I just purchased an R2400 and would not want
> to go back. Quite simply, the ease with which a good
> B&W print can be made, complete with full toning
> options is just too good to pass up. Plus you have
> what is undoubtedly the best color printer made yet by
> Epson (I am talking about color quality and not
> comparing the R2400  with upper end products like the
> 4800 and 7800)
> 
> I Have made many fine prints with the 2200 using both
> UT 7, and the UC inks with Eboni MK. I used both
> Imageprint and QTR RIPs. It can be done for certain.
> 
> Let the budget decide!
> 
> Hope this helps
> Woody Spedden
> 
> --- Robert <office@r...> wrote:
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> At the risk of asking question that's been covered
> before, has anyone
> compared an Epson 2200 using MIS UT7 inks with an
> Epson 2400 using
> Epson inks?  More specifically, I hear that folks are
> really pleased
> with the 2400's capabability with B&W, but I already
> have the 2200 and
> I'd rather avoid the added expense of a new printer if
> I can avoid it.
>  Additionally, I generally print on mat papers.
> 
> If there are threads that discuss these two
> combinations specifically,
> please point me there, or share your personal
> experiences.
> 
> Thank you,
> Robert Ades
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files,
> and other resources as they are often being updated.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily
> digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your
> Membership preferences by visiting this same page.
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of
> earlier messages to keep them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal
> attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or
> argumentative users may be removed from the membership
> without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group
> topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently
> make off-topic posts may be removed from the
> membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the
> group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the
> actions and decisions of the group Owner and
> Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in
> the Files section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> 
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE
> DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY
> UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS"
> OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE
> LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL,
> SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING
> BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
> GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN
> IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY
> OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE
> INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
> GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF
> YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING
> TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> 
> 
>       
> 
>       SPONSORED LINKS  
>                                                
> Digital wedding photography                           
>         Learn digital photography                     
>               Digital photography college             
>                                                  
> Digital photography                                   
> Digital photography web site                          
>          Digital photography course                   
>                                  
>     
> ---------------------------------
>   YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> 
>   
>     Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on
> the web.
>    
>     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>    
>     Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> Terms of Service.
> 
>   
> ---------------------------------

Since the matte black for the 2200 is identical to the
2400 there is no difference in DMax. I got somewhat
better DMax from Eboni than with the epson mk with the
2200 and will try it with the 2400 when MIS makes it
available.

The dmax for pk is significantly better than the old
pk. One of the reasons for the enhanced color prints
is attributible to this. Both premium luster and
premium semi-gloss produce very good prints.

The addition of the LLK ink produces outstanding
tonality throughout the range. It takes some work to
get it "right" but not nearly as much as with the 2200
and MIS. In the end, both are capable of fine prints
with an edge to the 2400 and no contest for ease of
use.

I print almost exclusively on Photo Rag and Museo (and
now also Museo II).

I have never used the R1800 so no help there.

Hope this helps
Woody




--- Robert <office@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Woody:

Using mat paper, can you be more specific about how
the two printer
setups compare in image quality with B&W?  For
instance, is the dMax
different?  How about the tonal rendition and the
shadow detail?

Secondarily, with color, and again on mat paper, have
you compared
your new 2400 with the 1800?

Thank you,
Robert Ades

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, >

> --- Robert <office@r...> wrote:
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> At the risk of asking question that's been covered
> before, has anyone
> compared an Epson 2200 using MIS UT7 inks with an
> Epson 2400 using
> > 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files,
> and other resources as they are often being updated.
> 
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily
> digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your
> Membership preferences by visiting this same page.
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of
> earlier messages to keep them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal
> attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or
> argumentative users may be removed from the
membership
> without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group
> topic of digital B&W printing. Users who
persistently
> make off-topic posts may be removed from the
> membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the
> group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the
> actions and decisions of the group Owner and
> Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines"
in
> the Files section:
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> 
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE
> DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY
> UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS"
> OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE
> LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL,
> SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES,
INCLUDING
> BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
> GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN
> IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY
> OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE
> INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
> GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF
> YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING
> TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> 
> 
>       
> 
>       SPONSORED LINKS  
>                                                
> Digital wedding photography                         
 
>         Learn digital photography                   
 
>               Digital photography college           
 
>                                                  
> Digital photography                                 
 
> Digital photography web site                        
 
>          Digital photography course                 
 
>                                  
>     
> ---------------------------------
>   YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> 
>   
>     Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint"
on
> the web.
>    
>     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
to:
> 
>
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>    
>     Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
Yahoo!
> Terms of Service.
> 
>   
> ---------------------------------




Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files,
and other resources as they are often being updated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily
digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your
Membership preferences by visiting this same page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of
earlier messages to keep them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal
attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or
argumentative users may be removed from the membership
without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group
topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently
make off-topic posts may be removed from the
membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the
group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the
actions and decisions of the group Owner and
Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in
the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE
DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY
UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd
OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE
LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL,
SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN
IF THE  \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE
PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY
OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE
INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF
YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE
PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING
TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.


  
    
---------------------------------
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

  
    Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on
the web.
   
    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
   
    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
Terms of Service.

  
---------------------------------