Digital BW, The Print

Dear DigitalBlackandWhite groups,

I am and artist photographer making exhibitions prints
with epson 9600. I have experemented with funuture
coatings on my Hahnemuhle's photo rag paper. I roal 1
to 3 times with the lack deluted with water and the
result is a very deep black similar to prints made
with feks. R1800 on glossy paper. I do not like the
plastic feeling of the glossy or semmi glossy papers
but I like the deph of tones. The Hahnemuhle print has
a feeling of a real print not a peace of plastic and
with the coating it has at least as deep tones and the
glossy surface is very beutifull a bit like Agfa
multigrade.

My qouistion is has anybady used Clearstar's
waterbased Clearshield's LL glossy coating or theire
Clearshield type C?
I like to know if this coatings makes the paper like
Hahnemuhle's photo rag paper glossy with the deep
blacks following as this lack should be arkivelasting
(see: http://www.livick.com). I know that the funuture
coatings I used will not last long before it turns
yellow.

As well does anybady know if Clearstar's waterbased
Clearshield's type C coating is as arkive lasting as
the Clearstar's waterbased Clearshield's LL glossy
coating? I understood that type C is more elastic and
therefore better to use if one stresses the print on a
painteres frame.

I would be very greatfull for any answer,

Kind regarts

Joakim Eskildsen

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Joakim Eskildsen
Finland


		
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Joakim,

it's best to get samples and try for yourself.
Not all inks and papers like waterbased coatings.
And each of the myriad versions of Clearstar 
products has a very different effect and works
differently. 

Please also keep in mind that cans of Clearshield are 
marked with a date: try not to use anything older
than a year. The date is encoded (ask Clearstar for
help with this).
Also, you may find that the solvent based produces better
blacks. Application is a big issue too: it's best to
spray and best to apply 2-3 coats, but that depends on
the look you want.
The difference between the products is not likely to be
their archival qualities as much as how they "sit" on the
paper.
For smooth, even coating, a high-end laminator is better
for paper (but not for canvas),
assuming you use archival laminates that can melt into the
paper surface.
There is also a waterbased product from the UK 
(Giclee Varnish) that seemed to work better on paper
than Clearstar. It may be easier for you to find there...

Generally speaking, seeking higher dmax with coatings
is dicy. In some cases, its a lot of work for little
benefit. If you frame under glass, for example, you may
not see a big difference between coated and uncoated.
And if the sheen of the coat reflects light (glares)
you get less effective dmax than the smooth matte
surface of the paper. 

good luck - 

Antonis




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joakim Eskildsen
<joaskild@y...> wrote:

> My qouistion is has anybady used Clearstar's
> waterbased Clearshield's LL glossy coating or theire
> Clearshield type C?
> I like to know if this coatings makes the paper like
> Hahnemuhle's photo rag paper glossy with the deep
> blacks following as this lack should be arkivelasting
> (see: http://www.livick.com). I know that the funuture
> coatings I used will not last long before it turns
> yellow.
> 
> As well does anybady know if Clearstar's waterbased
> Clearshield's type C coating is as arkive lasting as
> the Clearstar's waterbased Clearshield's LL glossy
> coating? I understood that type C is more elastic and
> therefore better to use if one stresses the print on a
> painteres frame.

Hi Antonis,

Thanks for your answer. Yes I gess you are right, its only to oder and test! Good to know 
about the date of the cans too. I sort of try to do some reschers before I order in order to 
get the right thing. It seem to be a joungle and most of them are things that has to be 
ordered in the US. Do you know anything about if Giclee Varnishthe is as arkive lasting as 
the Clearshield seem to be?

I have rolled my prints with a normaly painting roller and it takes some practis but I am 
slowly becomming better at it. I do agree about the pictures when behind a glass it might 
be easyer just to print on a glossy paper but I am planning to frame the pictures without 
any glass. 

Thanks

Joakim

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antonis" <antonisphoto@y...> 
wrote:

>
> Joakim,
> 
> it's best to get samples and try for yourself.
> Not all inks and papers like waterbased coatings.
> And each of the myriad versions of Clearstar 
> products has a very different effect and works
> differently. 
> 
> Please also keep in mind that cans of Clearshield are 
> marked with a date: try not to use anything older
> than a year. The date is encoded (ask Clearstar for
> help with this).
> Also, you may find that the solvent based produces better
> blacks. Application is a big issue too: it's best to
> spray and best to apply 2-3 coats, but that depends on
> the look you want.
> The difference between the products is not likely to be
> their archival qualities as much as how they "sit" on the
> paper.
> For smooth, even coating, a high-end laminator is better
> for paper (but not for canvas),
> assuming you use archival laminates that can melt into the
> paper surface.
> There is also a waterbased product from the UK 
> (Giclee Varnish) that seemed to work better on paper
> than Clearstar. It may be easier for you to find there...
> 
> Generally speaking, seeking higher dmax with coatings
> is dicy. In some cases, its a lot of work for little
> benefit. If you frame under glass, for example, you may
> not see a big difference between coated and uncoated.
> And if the sheen of the coat reflects light (glares)
> you get less effective dmax than the smooth matte
> surface of the paper. 
> 
> good luck - 
> 
> Antonis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joakim Eskildsen
> <joaskild@y...> wrote:
> 
> > My qouistion is has anybady used Clearstar's
> > waterbased Clearshield's LL glossy coating or theire
> > Clearshield type C?
> > I like to know if this coatings makes the paper like
> > Hahnemuhle's photo rag paper glossy with the deep
> > blacks following as this lack should be arkivelasting
> > (see: http://www.livick.com). I know that the funuture
> > coatings I used will not last long before it turns
> > yellow.
> > 
> > As well does anybady know if Clearstar's waterbased
> > Clearshield's type C coating is as arkive lasting as
> > the Clearstar's waterbased Clearshield's LL glossy
> > coating? I understood that type C is more elastic and
> > therefore better to use if one stresses the print on a
> > painteres frame.
>