Digital BW, The Print

http://www.apple.com/aperture/

I stopped by the Apple store yesterday to inquire and THEY had just  
learned of it so had no info to pass on. It looks very interesting  
and laid out like most Apple apps, easy to figure out without a  
manual. Wonder how Adobe feels about it?
Mark

On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

> http://www.apple.com/aperture/
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The pro boys on Rob Galbraith's site are really very excited about it.  Mac
only.  Could have an impact similar to Final Cut Pro on video editing.

And then there's the new G5s!  Only an interim solution prior to the move to
Intel chips but I didn't think my 2x2.5Ghz machine was going to be dwarfed
so quickly.  Quad G5! Two dual core 2.7Ghz processors. PCI Express.  My G5
feels very old and sick already...

> From: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:54:15 -0400
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT perhaps but this could be ineresting:  Apple's
> Aperture
> 
> I stopped by the Apple store yesterday to inquire and THEY had just
> learned of it so had no info to pass on. It looks very interesting
> and laid out like most Apple apps, easy to figure out without a
> manual. Wonder how Adobe feels about it?
> Mark
>

I just went through the tours.  Really quite an amazing first draft.  There
are gaps.  I did not see any curves adjustments or chromatic aberration
correction but I am sure they are not far behind.  The intention here is to
create a full editing application (eg spotting and cloning) - staying in RAW
the whole time.  It does of course have a gateway to your favourite image
editor.  The loupe tool is very cool.  Check out the smart web galleries.
The workflow looks amazing but the proof will be in colour rendition for
each type of camera, specific cameras, and its adoption by/support of third
party plugins etc.

> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:04:05 +0100
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Conversation: [Digital BW] OT perhaps but this could be interesting:  Apple's
> Aperture
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT perhaps but this could be interesting:  Apple's
> Aperture
> 
> The pro boys on Rob Galbraith's site are really very excited about it.  Mac
> only.  Could have an impact similar to Final Cut Pro on video editing.
> 
> And then there's the new G5s!  Only an interim solution prior to the move to
> Intel chips but I didn't think my 2x2.5Ghz machine was going to be dwarfed
> so quickly.  Quad G5! Two dual core 2.7Ghz processors. PCI Express.  My G5
> feels very old and sick already...
> 
> 
>> From: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:54:15 -0400
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT perhaps but this could be ineresting:  Apple's
>> Aperture
>> 
>> I stopped by the Apple store yesterday to inquire and THEY had just
>> learned of it so had no info to pass on. It looks very interesting
>> and laid out like most Apple apps, easy to figure out without a
>> manual. Wonder how Adobe feels about it?
>> Mark
>>

Mark Savoia wrote:
> I stopped by the Apple store yesterday to inquire and THEY had just  
> learned of it so had no info to pass on. It looks very interesting  
> and laid out like most Apple apps, easy to figure out without a  
> manual. Wonder how Adobe feels about it?
> Mark

Checking the information now.

Well Apple included DNG :-) Not many companies have done Adobe
that favor. It is probably not what Adobe intended when they
made it free.

The first thing I was interested in was whether it could be a
Qimage for Macs, there really is a big gap in Mac's software
base when nothing equivalent is developed. At first sight it
has some Qimage features but not the versatility for printing.
Job management looks like the best part of Aperture. Raw file
interpretation quality can only be judged in practice, wonder
who's software they have based it on and how they are going to
keep it up to date. Best would be the camera manufacturer's
cooperation but that isn't so easy to get. It is also more Mac
customer orientated with its 10x Qimage price :-)

I doubt Adobe will make a competitor to Qimage or Aperture.
Extending the features of Photoshop etc into that direction is
more likely. Qimage is too cheap to compete with on the PC
market, Aperture on Mac a too small market to launch a
separate application for.

                    --
           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
(         unvollendet         )

Yea, I think they are on to something but as he said Apple is never
going to compete primarily on price. As someone who is teaching some
of the next generation I can see that as of this quarter none of them
is using film anymore. And, my lectures on scanning is becoming less
relivant. Before they even learn Photoshop they are working with the
Canon camera raw interface. Digial camera workflow is where its at and
Canon is advancing their raw interface too as of course is Photosop
CS2 with the Bridge. 

If you are an image editor I think Aperture could really be useful.
The most innovative thing I saw in it also was that loupe zoom
feature. They are going into the realm of not having to open any files
to evaluate their most important qualities. Batch processing is
becoming bigger and bigger for photograpers who have to do more in
less time, with someone looking over their shoulder. When these
cameras end up capturing 16 and soon 32 bit regularly who is going to
want to open up all those files when you have to work fast. I'm glad I
don't have to work fast....The one thing all this is going to produce
is a new profession, photographer's onsite image editor at the laptop
specialist.


John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
>
> I just went through the tours.  Really quite an amazing first draft.
 There
> are gaps.  I did not see any curves adjustments or chromatic aberration
> correction but I am sure they are not far behind.  The intention
here is to
> create a full editing application (eg spotting and cloning) -
staying in RAW
> the whole time.  It does of course have a gateway to your favourite
image
> editor.  The loupe tool is very cool.  Check out the smart web
galleries.
> The workflow looks amazing but the proof will be in colour rendition for
> each type of camera, specific cameras, and its adoption by/support
of third
> party plugins etc.
> 
> 
> > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@b...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:04:05 +0100
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Conversation: [Digital BW] OT perhaps but this could be
interesting:  Apple's
> > Aperture
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT perhaps but this could be
interesting:  Apple's
> > Aperture
> > 
> > The pro boys on Rob Galbraith's site are really very excited about
it.  Mac
> > only.  Could have an impact similar to Final Cut Pro on video editing.
> > 
> > And then there's the new G5s!  Only an interim solution prior to
the move to
> > Intel chips but I didn't think my 2x2.5Ghz machine was going to be
dwarfed
> > so quickly.  Quad G5! Two dual core 2.7Ghz processors. PCI
Express.  My G5
> > feels very old and sick already...
> > 
> > 
> >> From: Mark Savoia <mark@c...>
> >> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:54:15 -0400
> >> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT perhaps but this could be
ineresting:  Apple's

> >> Aperture
> >> 
> >> I stopped by the Apple store yesterday to inquire and THEY had just
> >> learned of it so had no info to pass on. It looks very interesting
> >> and laid out like most Apple apps, easy to figure out without a
> >> manual. Wonder how Adobe feels about it?
> >> Mark
> >>
>