Digital BW, The Print

Hey Jack,

I assume you are referring to Performance & Quality,  Custom Color, Color 
Correction and the nVIDIA Display (which pulls up the 6800 settings) for the 
Dell 1905FP. Am I forgetting anything? So many settings, so little time. The 
LCD resolution and refresh are at optimum.

I'll check that site out and many thanks for the reply. Please let me know 
if I have that stuff above straight. I was going to upgrade to CS2 but I'm 
not sure I want to get involved with more distractions. I was a happy old 
cat but now, I don't know.

Thanks again.....................Barry

Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Winberg" <jack.winberg@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:53 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] color management with too many settings


Hi Barry:

I have a similar configuration, using the 6600 video card rather than
6800, and it is best to run everything at default settings
(particularly resolution - important for an LCD monitor), and
calibrate your monitor with either a ColorVision Spyder II or Monaco
Optix colorimeter.  Your monitor should profile quite well with
either of these and you need not bother with any of the nVidia settings.

Ian Lyons site may be of help for you, with both the monitor
profiling, as well as the use of printer ICC profiles in PS 6.

http://www.computer-darkroom.com/

All the best and good luck...................... Jack Winberg


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At 10:04 AM -0500 11/23/05, Barry Schaffer wrote:
>[snip]
>
>... I was going to upgrade to CS2 but I'm not sure I want to get 
>involved with more distractions.
>
>[snip]
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jack Winberg" <jack.winberg@...>
>[snipped]

Until my 1160 died recently, my situation was somewhat similar to 
Barry's except that I was using my 1160 with my Mac and the Mac OS of 
the same vintage as Barry's Windows OS. And I too have a CS2 upgrade 
in mind. But, with the older Mac OS I too preferred for printing to 
the 1160, I don't think CS2 is an option. So I suspect it also might 
not be an option for Barry's older Windows OS either.

Not that I'm suggesting Barry should try to upgrade his older Windows 
OS: my daughter has it on an older Dell PC, and Dell advised her not 
to try to upgrade it. Photoshop 7 might, however, be a feasible 
upgrade for Barry. It was for me even with my older Mac OS, and my 
impression is that PS 7 is more useful than PS 6 on both platforms.

Incidentally, I don't upgrade Photoshop until the next version of 
Bruce Fraser's & David Blatner's "Real World Photoshop 
...(whatever)..." is available from Amazon.com. And my copy of their 
"Real World Photoshop CS2" came just a few weeks ago. Nothing in its 
first chapter, "Building a Photoshop System", suggests to me that CS2 
could or should be used with older hardware and software on either 
platform. Which is a little frustrating given that both Apple and 
Microsoft are now working on platform re-do's so radical that they 
make me nervous about upgrading my hardware now and finding it 
obsolete by this time next year.

Maybe for those of us with older systems it's a good time to focus on 
peripherals, which in my case, except for one lens, also need to be 
updated. My refurbished R200, which I'm eager to use for black-only 
printing, just came from Epson, and I hope to get an order for a 
2400, for larger prints, both grayscale and color, off soon.
--
Sam

Thanks for your thoughts. My main machine now is my homebuilt WinXP Pro with 
everything including fiber-optic Internet hook-up. Just trying to justify 
all the goodies I can get or I can afford. I now have my daughter and 
grandaughter living with me which has changed my freewheeling lifestyle, 
sort of.

Barry

.----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Sam McCandless" <samcc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] color management with too many settings


At 10:04 AM -0500 11/23/05, Barry Schaffer wrote:
>[snip]
>
>... I was going to upgrade to CS2 but I'm not sure I want to get
>involved with more distractions.
>
>[snip]
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jack Winberg" <jack.winberg@...>
>[snipped]

Until my 1160 died recently, my situation was somewhat similar to
Barry's except that I was using my 1160 with my Mac and the Mac OS of
the same vintage as Barry's Windows OS. And I too have a CS2 upgrade
in mind. But, with the older Mac OS I too preferred for printing to
the 1160, I don't think CS2 is an option. So I suspect it also might
not be an option for Barry's older Windows OS either.

[snip]

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"My main machine now is my homebuilt WinXP Pro ..."

The best thing about your system is, you'll actually be able to up-
grade it for sometime to come.

I doubt I'll ever buy another "ready made" computer.

Besides, building computers is fun and realativly easy these days. :>)

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Barry Schaffer" 
<bgs@b...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. My main machine now is my homebuilt WinXP 
Pro with 
> everything including fiber-optic Internet hook-up. Just trying to 
justify 
> all the goodies I can get or I can afford. I now have my daughter 
and 
> grandaughter living with me which has changed my freewheeling 
lifestyle, 
> sort of.
> 
> Barry
> 
> .----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sam McCandless" <samcc@v...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] color management with too many settings
> 
> 
> At 10:04 AM -0500 11/23/05, Barry Schaffer wrote:
> >[snip]
> >
> >... I was going to upgrade to CS2 but I'm not sure I want to get
> >involved with more distractions.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jack Winberg" <jack.winberg@v...>
> >[snipped]
> 
> Until my 1160 died recently, my situation was somewhat similar to
> Barry's except that I was using my 1160 with my Mac and the Mac OS 
of
> the same vintage as Barry's Windows OS. And I too have a CS2 upgrade
> in mind. But, with the older Mac OS I too preferred for printing to
> the 1160, I don't think CS2 is an option. So I suspect it also might
> not be an option for Barry's older Windows OS either.
> 
> [snip]
> 
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I went directly from PS6 to CS2 on a Windows 2000 machine and had no 
problem with the OS or the program.  If you can use 6, you can use 
CS2.

Walt



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sam McCandless 
<samcc@v...> wrote:
>
> At 10:04 AM -0500 11/23/05, Barry Schaffer wrote:
> >[snip]
> >
> >... I was going to upgrade to CS2 but I'm not sure I want to get 
> >involved with more distractions.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jack Winberg" <jack.winberg@v...>
> >[snipped]
> 
> Until my 1160 died recently, my situation was somewhat similar to 
> Barry's except that I was using my 1160 with my Mac and the Mac OS 
of 
> the same vintage as Barry's Windows OS. And I too have a CS2 
upgrade 
> in mind. But, with the older Mac OS I too preferred for printing to 
> the 1160, I don't think CS2 is an option. So I suspect it also 
might 
> not be an option for Barry's older Windows OS either.
> 
> Not that I'm suggesting Barry should try to upgrade his older 
Windows 
> OS: my daughter has it on an older Dell PC, and Dell advised her 
not 
> to try to upgrade it. Photoshop 7 might, however, be a feasible 
> upgrade for Barry. It was for me even with my older Mac OS, and my 
> impression is that PS 7 is more useful than PS 6 on both platforms.
> 
> Incidentally, I don't upgrade Photoshop until the next version of 
> Bruce Fraser's & David Blatner's "Real World Photoshop 
> ...(whatever)..." is available from Amazon.com. And my copy of 
their 
> "Real World Photoshop CS2" came just a few weeks ago. Nothing in 
its 
> first chapter, "Building a Photoshop System", suggests to me that 
CS2 
> could or should be used with older hardware and software on either 
> platform. Which is a little frustrating given that both Apple and 
> Microsoft are now working on platform re-do's so radical that they 
> make me nervous about upgrading my hardware now and finding it 
> obsolete by this time next year.
> 
> Maybe for those of us with older systems it's a good time to focus 
on 

> peripherals, which in my case, except for one lens, also need to be 
> updated. My refurbished R200, which I'm eager to use for black-only 
> printing, just came from Epson, and I hope to get an order for a 
> 2400, for larger prints, both grayscale and color, off soon.
> --
> Sam
>

Actually, no. I used 7 on my Win98se machine. CS (1 or 2) would 
not have run on that machine. In addition to the obnoxious 
activation, CS requires an NT (2000 or XP) machine.

-matt

> I went directly from PS6 to CS2 on a Windows 2000 machine and had no 
> problem with the OS or the program.  If you can use 6, you can use 
> CS2.
> 
> Walt
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sam McCandless 
> <samcc@v...> wrote:
> >
> > At 10:04 AM -0500 11/23/05, Barry Schaffer wrote:
> > >[snip]
> > >
> > >... I was going to upgrade to CS2 but I'm not sure I want to get 
> > >involved with more distractions.
> > >
> > >[snip]
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jack Winberg" <jack.winberg@v...>
> > >[snipped]
> > 
> > Until my 1160 died recently, my situation was somewhat similar to 
> > Barry's except that I was using my 1160 with my Mac and the Mac OS 
> of 
> > the same vintage as Barry's Windows OS. And I too have a CS2 
> upgrade 
> > in mind. But, with the older Mac OS I too preferred for printing to 
> > the 1160, I don't think CS2 is an option. So I suspect it also 
> might 
> > not be an option for Barry's older Windows OS either.
> > 
> > Not that I'm suggesting Barry should try to upgrade his older 
> Windows 
> > OS: my daughter has it on an older Dell PC, and Dell advised her 
> not 
> > to try to upgrade it. Photoshop 7 might, however, be a feasible 
> > upgrade for Barry. It was for me even with my older Mac OS, and my 
> > impression is that PS 7 is more useful than PS 6 on both platforms.
> > 
> > Incidentally, I don't upgrade Photoshop until the next version of 
> > Bruce Fraser's & David Blatner's "Real World Photoshop 
> > ...(whatever)..." is available from Amazon.com. And my copy of 
> their 
> > "Real World Photoshop CS2" came just a few weeks ago. Nothing in 
> its 
> > first chapter, "Building a Photoshop System", suggests to me that 
> CS2 
> > could or should be used with older hardware and software on either 
> > platform. Which is a little frustrating given that both Apple and 
> > Microsoft are now working on platform re-do's so radical that they 
> > make me nervous about upgrading my hardware now and finding it 
> > obsolete by this time next year.
> > 
> > Maybe for those of us with older systems it's a good time to focus 
> on 
> > peripherals, which in my case, except for one lens, also need to be 
> > updated. My refurbished R200, which I'm eager to use for black-only 
> > printing, just came from Epson, and I hope to get an order for a 
> > 2400, for larger prints, both grayscale and color, off soon.
> > --
> > Sam
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Right. The 2 situations that I believe I straightened out before I croak 
were the computer scene and not having to worry about toilet flushing 
problems. They both will probably outlive me. Life is good.

Barry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] color management with too many settings


"My main machine now is my homebuilt WinXP Pro ..."

The best thing about your system is, you'll actually be able to up-
grade it for sometime to come.

I doubt I'll ever buy another "ready made" computer.

Besides, building computers is fun and realativly easy these days. :>)

Scott

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At 4:35 PM -0500 11/25/05, Barry Schaffer wrote:
>
>Thanks for your thoughts. My main machine now is my homebuilt WinXP 
>Pro with ...
>
>[snip]

You're welcome, Barry. Sorry I mistook your Windows machine and OS 
for older ones.
--
Sam