Digital BW, The Print

Hi, 

Does anyone have experience using inksets other than UC with HPR
Satin? I love some aspects of the paper, however I find that the
bronzing that is evident (if this is the correct term) is distracting,
and need to coat with PrintShield to eliminate it. Adding the
PrintShield eliminates the issue, but subjectively appears to reduce
DMax ass well as changing the paper surface character. In addition I
would prefer not to be spraying with solvent based materials and also
adding the risk of dust.

Would the MIS PRO inks offer a reduction in the bronzing?

Thanks in advance for any advice,

Regards

Martin

At 07:02 +0000 29.11.2005, Martin Carrington wrote:
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>Adding the
>PrintShield eliminates the issue, but subjectively appears to reduce
>DMax ass well as changing the paper surface character. In addition I
>would prefer not to be spraying with solvent based materials and also
>adding the risk of dust.

Try the Protecting spray 680 from company Talens.

Solvent, but no dust, not the reduction of Dmax.

The printouts on satin materials from HM should be sprayed simply to 
unify the glossy efect on parts with ink and without ink - white 
parts of picture.

Martin
--

Are you seeing a difference in gloss, or a difference in the color of 
black when you hold the print at an angle?

I'm not the original poster, but I would describe what I see in this paper as the latter (a 
difference in the color of black, which shifts to brown or purplish when held at an angle).

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <dfaprinting@y...> wrote:

>
> Are you seeing a difference in gloss, or a difference in the color of 
> black when you hold the print at an angle?
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" 
<chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
>
> I'm not the original poster, but I would describe what I see in this 
paper as the latter (a 
> difference in the color of black, which shifts to brown or purplish 
when held at an angle).
> 


OK, for that I can say that my inks do not show this, all they do is 
get a reflection which varies by the amount of ink coverage. This is 
using the matte black, and normally my RIP and profiles put in some C 
and M (maybe some Y). Inks are Image Specialists UltraPro (WeInk 
Chromium Pro), which has a neutral matte black similar to Eboni, so 
that may be the biggest factor. Prints have been viewed in indoor, and 
overcast sunlight (I live in NY, it's always cloudy now). Evolution 
RIP, and CMYK profiles generated from Printopen with various GCR 
ranging from 65 to 95 percent, Epson 9500 (just for the total 
description).

I'm sending some of my test prints off to Jim Doyle, so hopefully in a 
couple of days he can comment on what he sees.

IMO, HPR Satin is not a universal paper (no paper is!). It works supremely
with some images, and not at all with others. Some of my images need a
'boost' that only HPR Satin has been able to deliver. Others do not need the
benefits of Satin at all, and in fact look better printed on HPR original.

What you're seeing is a function of the inks and paper coating, and I like
it very much for *certain* images. You're not going to be able to get rid of
it. Use Satin where it works best, and avoid it where it doesn't.

Best Regards,
Michael Gordon
www.mgordonphotography.com

Hi Greg,

The effect is difference in color as the light is angled on the print,
taking on a bronze color as the illumination is at more of an angle to
the paper.

I was wondering if MIS inks (particularly Ebony) may be less susceptable.

Thanks



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg"
<dfaprinting@y...> wrote:

>
> Are you seeing a difference in gloss, or a difference in the color of 
> black when you hold the print at an angle?
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin 
Carrington" <martinc@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
> 
> The effect is difference in color as the light is angled on the print,
> taking on a bronze color as the illumination is at more of an angle to
> the paper.
> 
> I was wondering if MIS inks (particularly Ebony) may be less 
susceptable.
> 
> Thanks


I'm thinking the same thing. I use a matte black similar to Eboni, and 
don't see this problem. I'm also using a 6 color printer(CcMmYK), so 
the light shades might also be a problem that I don't have.

> The effect is difference in color as the light is angled on the print,
> taking on a bronze color as the illumination is at more of an angle to
> the paper.
>
> I was wondering if MIS inks (particularly Ebony) may be less susceptable.


I use UC inks with Eboni black and still see what most would consider
bronzing. Again, I don't find it at all objectionable with many of my
images, and consider it a characteristic of the paper that I very much like.


Best Regards,
Michael Gordon
www.mgordonphotography.com