Digital BW, The Print

Can I install only the MIS Eboni cart in place of the Matte 
Ultrachrome or do I need to replace the light black as well with the 
MIS K7 equivelant ?

I guess what I am saying is, in Black only print mode on matte paper 
using the Epson stock driver (Win XP), is the printer using ONLY the 
matte black cart or both the matte black AND the light black ?

Thanks

Hi;

It uses only the matte black, that's normal for all the Epsons that 
will allow BO. You can get 2K printing out of it with QTR, and the 
difference in smoothnes is substantial, though of course more of a 
learning curve.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sloth4189" 
<flamingo@t...> wrote:
>
> Can I install only the MIS Eboni cart in place of the Matte 
> Ultrachrome or do I need to replace the light black as well with 
the 
> MIS K7 equivelant ?
> 
> I guess what I am saying is, in Black only print mode on matte 
paper 
> using the Epson stock driver (Win XP), is the printer using ONLY 
the 

> matte black cart or both the matte black AND the light black ?
> 
> Thanks
>

Only the Black not the light black. See clayto Jones
FAQ.

Michael Vendrell

--- sloth4189 <flamingo@...> wrote:

> Can I install only the MIS Eboni cart in place of
> the Matte 
> Ultrachrome or do I need to replace the light black
> as well with the 
> MIS K7 equivelant ?
> 
> I guess what I am saying is, in Black only print
> mode on matte paper 
> using the Epson stock driver (Win XP), is the
> printer using ONLY the 
> matte black cart or both the matte black AND the
> light black ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Steve (and Michael):

Thanks for that info.
On the other side of the coin, when printing color on the 4000 using 
the stock Epson (WinXP) driver, are only the color inks used or are 
the black inks used as well, and if so, how does the MIS Eboni ink 
mix with the standard Epson UltraChromes ?

Thanks again.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi;
> 
> It uses only the matte black, that's normal for all the Epsons 
that 

> will allow BO. You can get 2K printing out of it with QTR, and the 
> difference in smoothnes is substantial, though of course more of a 
> learning curve.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sloth4189" 
> <flamingo@t...> wrote:
> >
> > Can I install only the MIS Eboni cart in place of the Matte 
> > Ultrachrome or do I need to replace the light black as well with 
> the 
> > MIS K7 equivelant ?
> > 
> > I guess what I am saying is, in Black only print mode on matte 
> paper 
> > using the Epson stock driver (Win XP), is the printer using ONLY 
> the 
> > matte black cart or both the matte black AND the light black ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> >
>

I went through a similar transition with my 7600 and the standard UC 
inks; I don't remember there being any major problem, but perhaps 
someone else has more recent experience to relate? I'm now using the 
MIS Pro inks which are much better than the old UC inks: better 
color gamut, and almost non-existent bronzing on RC papers-not to 
mention a great deal cheaper. Highly recommended!

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sloth4189" 
<flamingo@t...> wrote:
>
> Steve (and Michael):
> 
> Thanks for that info.
> On the other side of the coin, when printing color on the 4000 
using 
> the stock Epson (WinXP) driver, are only the color inks used or 
are 
> the black inks used as well, and if so, how does the MIS Eboni ink 
> mix with the standard Epson UltraChromes ?
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
> Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi;
> > 
> > It uses only the matte black, that's normal for all the Epsons 
> that 
> > will allow BO. You can get 2K printing out of it with QTR, and 
the 
> > difference in smoothnes is substantial, though of course more of 
a 
> > learning curve.
> > 
> > Steve Karafyllakis
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sloth4189" 
> > <flamingo@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can I install only the MIS Eboni cart in place of the Matte 
> > > Ultrachrome or do I need to replace the light black as well 
with 
> > the 
> > > MIS K7 equivelant ?
> > > 
> > > I guess what I am saying is, in Black only print mode on matte 
> > paper 
> > > using the Epson stock driver (Win XP), is the printer using 
ONLY 

> > the 
> > > matte black cart or both the matte black AND the light black ?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >
>

Are you using custom profiles for your color printing with the MIS Pro
inks? I've thought about giving them a go with my 2200, but I hesitate
because I'm not sure that I'd have to get a whole new set of profiles.

Chris Hargens


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:

> I'm now using the 
> MIS Pro inks which are much better than the old UC inks: better 
> color gamut, and almost non-existent bronzing on RC papers-not to 
> mention a great deal cheaper. Highly recommended!
> 
> Steve

I talked to MIS the other day about this and they said you can use 
Epson profiles but be warned they will probably not be accurate.   
I would need 12 color and 4-5 QTR profiles, so its out of the question 
for me...  Supposedly they will make profiles in the fuure but he said 
it was at least a year away... Too bad. 
SteveB 


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hargens" 
<chargens@s...> wrote:

>
> Are you using custom profiles for your color printing with the MIS Pro
> inks? I've thought about giving them a go with my 2200, but I hesitate
> because I'm not sure that I'd have to get a whole new set of profiles.
> 
> Chris Hargens
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
> Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> > I'm now using the 
> > MIS Pro inks which are much better than the old UC inks: better 
> > color gamut, and almost non-existent bronzing on RC papers-not to 
> > mention a great deal cheaper. Highly recommended!
> > 
> > Steve
>

There's at least one app that I'm aware of that allows you to edit 
standard icc profiles. I've never tried it, but last time I checked 
they had a demo version: 
http://www.antelligent.com/pages/ps_plugins.html

It costs $75.00, quite reasonable if it works well

Steve Karafyllakis


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveabrink" 
<steveabrink@y...> wrote:
>
> I talked to MIS the other day about this and they said you can use 
> Epson profiles but be warned they will probably not be accurate.   
> I would need 12 color and 4-5 QTR profiles, so its out of the 
question 
> for me...  Supposedly they will make profiles in the fuure but he 
said 
> it was at least a year away... Too bad. 
> SteveB 
> 
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris 
Hargens" 
> <chargens@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Are you using custom profiles for your color printing with the 
MIS Pro
> > inks? I've thought about giving them a go with my 2200, but I 
hesitate
> > because I'm not sure that I'd have to get a whole new set of 
profiles.
> > 
> > Chris Hargens
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
> > Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> > > I'm now using the 
> > > MIS Pro inks which are much better than the old UC inks: 
better 
> > > color gamut, and almost non-existent bronzing on RC papers-not 
to 

> > > mention a great deal cheaper. Highly recommended!
> > > 
> > > Steve
> >
>

Steven Karafyllakis wrote:
> There's at least one app that I'm aware of that allows you to edit 
> standard icc profiles. I've never tried it, but last time I checked 
> they had a demo version: 
> http://www.antelligent.com/pages/ps_plugins.html
> 
> It costs $75.00, quite reasonable if it works well
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis

At least an interesting price.

Does Doctor Pro edit standard ICC profiles or only the 
Colorvision profiles?

Kodak Custom Color Tools edits standard profiles, input, 
output, monitor, abstract, and in both directions: to device 
and to PCS. It is expensive. Very good program though.

Ernst


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           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveabrink" 
<steveabrink@y...> wrote:
>
> I talked to MIS the other day about this and they said you can use 
> Epson profiles but be warned they will probably not be accurate.   
> I would need 12 color and 4-5 QTR profiles, so its out of the 
question 
> for me...  Supposedly they will make profiles in the fuure but he 
said 
> it was at least a year away... Too bad. 
> SteveB 


I found that I needed profiles for more accurate rendition of 
sandstones.  The profile I ordered from a profiler in the UK is in my 
Inbox and I hope to try it at the weekend.

Colin