Epson C88 printer/MIS EZ inks
2006-01-05 by William Real
Does anyone know if the MIS EZ inks can be used with the Epson C88 printer, or only with the printers mentioned on the MIS website (C82, 84, 86)? Thanks, William
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Epson C88 printer/MIS EZ inks
RE: [Digital BW] Epson C88 printer/MIS EZ inks
2006-01-05 by Paul Roark
I'm told the EZ inks work fine in the C88. The only sample I've seen appeared to print darker than the C86, but otherwise had a good ramp, etc. So, one might be able to simply change the gamma setting in the driver to lighten the print if needed. However, I've never personally used one of the printers. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
2006-01-05 by Pacific New Media
I was reading FAQ for K6 and K7 inks. Following information is interesting: K7: The seven dilutions are as follows: K7 Shade #1: 100.0% K7 Shade #2: 32.0% K7 Shade #3: 16.0% K7 Shade #4: 10.0% K7 Shade #5: 6.0% K7 Shade #6: 2.5% K7 Shade #7: 0.6% K6: The six dilutions are as follows: K6 Shade #1: 100.0% K6 Shade #2: 32.0% K6 Shade #3: 16.0% K6 Shade #4: 6.0% K6 Shade #5: 2.5% K6 Shade #6: 0.6% I have the some question about MIS UT7 inks. How are the seven ink dilutions set up? Can it be used in Epson's 4 or 6-cartridge printer by not using one or three shades of gray inks? Thanks, - philip [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
2006-01-05 by Paul Roark
Philip, Different people use different ways of figuring dilutions. MIS often, for example, just assigns arbitrary percentages just to signify what relative lightness the inks are. I do not dilute the high-load Eboni or MK, and expect the actual loads are highly proprietary. For the B&W inksets, from my perspective, the 2200 and the introduction of the LK density and separate Photo Black gave me what I consider ideal starting inputs. As such, the dilutions I work with are now of these inks -- which are not uniform in themselves. That is, company X Lk-1 does not necessarily equal its LK-2. Same with the PKs. So, I can't describe the dilution schemes I tend to use in terms of an MK. It is not what I start from. With that caveat, the 32% first step dilution is close to a typical Epson dark-to-light midtone ink dilution. I usually use a dark gray density that both seems to work the best in repeated empirical experiments of mine and is a standard that started with the PiezoBW inkset -- the C position density. It is between LK and PK, but the exact ratio depends on the LK and PK involved. (Note that MK is a higher load ink than PK. PK loads, all else being equal, are limited by "dusting" or glossy loss -- which is not a problem for an MK.) Virtually all of the inksets I use or recommend have dark grays close to this -- the monotone FS-C, UT 2 & 7, UT-R2, etc. It is something of a standard. On hextone printers I want the inksets I use to be able to utilize the Epson driver. So, the step from the dark to light midtone inks (like C to LC) use very close to the typical Epson step up. That seems to fit the drivers and papers best in my experiments. So, this is another one of those de facto standards that I work with whenever possible. I often don't start with the standards, but end up close to the same place based on observed printing results with different experimental densities. For greater smoothness the FS-Y position light ink is used by some, and by me on older printers. This is very light -- lighter than LLK. The dilution-to-density relationship is very non-linear. So, the typical Epson midtone dilution ratio does not necessarily hold at the ends of the range. Printer dot size and other factors make experimentation the best way to optimize the system. The 4-ink printers present some different factors. They haven't been designed around a midtone cross-over. The standard hextone inksets are not optimized for them. I recommend partitioned monotone qaudtones for the older ones, and the EZ (all equal midtones) for the C86. Hope this helps. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pacific > New Media > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:44 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions > > I was reading FAQ for K6 and K7 inks. Following information is > interesting: > > K7: The seven dilutions are as follows: > K7 Shade #1: 100.0% > K7 Shade #2: 32.0% > K7 Shade #3: 16.0% > K7 Shade #4: 10.0% > K7 Shade #5: 6.0% > K7 Shade #6: 2.5% > K7 Shade #7: 0.6% > > K6: The six dilutions are as follows: > K6 Shade #1: 100.0% > K6 Shade #2: 32.0% > K6 Shade #3: 16.0% > K6 Shade #4: 6.0% > K6 Shade #5: 2.5% > K6 Shade #6: 0.6% > > I have the some question about MIS UT7 inks. How are the seven ink > dilutions set up? > > Can it be used in Epson's 4 or 6-cartridge printer by not using one or > three shades of gray inks? > > Thanks, > - philip >
RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
2006-01-07 by Pacific New Media
Thanks Paul for your answer. it is very helpful. For most papers we only need about 3 or 4 inks/positions from UT7 so it is possible to use UT7 in 4 or 6 color Epson printers. Is this correct? Also is it possible to buy only 3 inks if only use PhotoRag for warm or cold tone, and 5 inks for both? And keep other position with original Epson inks? MIS said EZN has only two different inks. How about UT7? All seven are different inks? Thanks, - philip
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
Philip,
Different people use different ways of figuring dilutions. MIS often, for
example, just assigns arbitrary percentages just to signify what relative
lightness the inks are.
I do not dilute the high-load Eboni or MK, and expect the actual loads are
highly proprietary. For the B&W inksets, from my perspective, the 2200
and
the introduction of the LK density and separate Photo Black gave me what I
consider ideal starting inputs. As such, the dilutions I work with are
now
of these inks -- which are not uniform in themselves. That is, company X
Lk-1 does not necessarily equal its LK-2. Same with the PKs.
So, I can't describe the dilution schemes I tend to use in terms of an MK.
It is not what I start from.
With that caveat, the 32% first step dilution is close to a typical Epson
dark-to-light midtone ink dilution.
I usually use a dark gray density that both seems to work the best in
repeated empirical experiments of mine and is a standard that started with
the PiezoBW inkset -- the C position density. It is between LK and PK,
but
the exact ratio depends on the LK and PK involved. (Note that MK is a
higher load ink than PK. PK loads, all else being equal, are limited by
"dusting" or glossy loss -- which is not a problem for an MK.) Virtually
all of the inksets I use or recommend have dark grays close to this -- the
monotone FS-C, UT 2 & 7, UT-R2, etc. It is something of a standard.
On hextone printers I want the inksets I use to be able to utilize the
Epson
driver. So, the step from the dark to light midtone inks (like C to LC)
use
very close to the typical Epson step up. That seems to fit the drivers
and
papers best in my experiments. So, this is another one of those de facto
standards that I work with whenever possible. I often don't start with
the
standards, but end up close to the same place based on observed printing
results with different experimental densities.
For greater smoothness the FS-Y position light ink is used by some, and by
me on older printers. This is very light -- lighter than LLK. The
dilution-to-density relationship is very non-linear. So, the typical
Epson
midtone dilution ratio does not necessarily hold at the ends of the range.
Printer dot size and other factors make experimentation the best way to
optimize the system.
The 4-ink printers present some different factors. They haven't been
designed around a midtone cross-over. The standard hextone inksets are
not
optimized for them. I recommend partitioned monotone qaudtones for the
older ones, and the EZ (all equal midtones) for the C86.
Hope this helps.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pacific
> New Media
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:44 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
>
> I was reading FAQ for K6 and K7 inks. Following information is
> interesting:
>
> K7: The seven dilutions are as follows:
> K7 Shade #1: 100.0%
> K7 Shade #2: 32.0%
> K7 Shade #3: 16.0%
> K7 Shade #4: 10.0%
> K7 Shade #5: 6.0%
> K7 Shade #6: 2.5%
> K7 Shade #7: 0.6%
>
> K6: The six dilutions are as follows:
> K6 Shade #1: 100.0%
> K6 Shade #2: 32.0%
> K6 Shade #3: 16.0%
> K6 Shade #4: 6.0%
> K6 Shade #5: 2.5%
> K6 Shade #6: 0.6%
>
> I have the some question about MIS UT7 inks. How are the seven ink
> dilutions set up?
>
> Can it be used in Epson's 4 or 6-cartridge printer by not using one or
> three shades of gray inks?
>
> Thanks,
> - philip
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
2006-01-07 by Paul Roark
Philip,
> For most papers we only need about 3 or 4 inks/positions from UT7
> so it is possible to use UT7 in 4 or 6 color Epson printers.
> Is this correct?
No, UT7 needs the cyan and magenta hextone channels, in addition to the
black ink. It has light and dark warm carbon and cool toner inks. A 4-ink
printer only has 3 spots aside from the black. The UT1 is the variable-tone
inkset that will work in a 4-ink ("quadtone") printer.
> Also is it possible to buy only 3 inks if only use PhotoRag for warm or
> cold tone, and 5 inks for both? And keep other position with original
> Epson inks?
The yellow position is the only one that is really optional and open. If
you are using a rip, you can also do without the LK.
With the Epson driver, you probably could put almost anything in the Y spot.
To turn on the black ink with the Epson driver that ink does need to be
"full-on" in the curves set at 100%. While the black ink is substituted for
all the midtones at that point, there is a slight risk that too high a gamut
ink in the Y position would affect the tone of the image in the deep
shadows.
You can buy the inks in bulk or by the individual cartridge.
> MIS said EZN has only two different inks.
The EZ midtone inks are neutral or warm. That's it. They both have the
same density.
> How about UT7? All seven are different inks?
Yes.
Paul
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2006-01-08 by Pacific New Media
Paul, Thanks for the detail answer. Sorry I did not make the question clear enough. I was looking at QTR 2200 profiles for UT7 inkset. I found majority profiles are using 3 or 4 inks only and the rest 3 or 4 inks are marked as not used. For different papers and tones QTR selects different inks but it rarely uses more than 4 inks for any given paper. That is the reason I assume we only need 3 inks to print to papers like PhotoRag and EEM for one tone and 5 inks for cold and also warm tone. Is it possible, using Epson drivers we need more than 3 or 4 inks, but use QTR we need only 3 or 4 for each paper? If that is true we can use UT7 in 4 or 6 color printers too - just pick and install the right ink. The reason I asked those questions is because I have plenty UT7 inks and would like to try the ink on my smaller and less colored Epson printers. I need to figure out which ink(s) to be used in 4-color printer and which ink(s) in 6-ink printer. And which can be left out. Thanks, - philip
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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:17 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
Philip,
> For most papers we only need about 3 or 4 inks/positions from UT7
> so it is possible to use UT7 in 4 or 6 color Epson printers.
> Is this correct?
No, UT7 needs the cyan and magenta hextone channels, in addition to the
black ink. It has light and dark warm carbon and cool toner inks. A
4-ink
printer only has 3 spots aside from the black. The UT1 is the
variable-tone
inkset that will work in a 4-ink ("quadtone") printer.
> Also is it possible to buy only 3 inks if only use PhotoRag for warm or
> cold tone, and 5 inks for both? And keep other position with original
> Epson inks?
The yellow position is the only one that is really optional and open. If
you are using a rip, you can also do without the LK.
With the Epson driver, you probably could put almost anything in the Y
spot.
To turn on the black ink with the Epson driver that ink does need to be
"full-on" in the curves set at 100%. While the black ink is substituted
for
all the midtones at that point, there is a slight risk that too high a
gamut
ink in the Y position would affect the tone of the image in the deep
shadows.
You can buy the inks in bulk or by the individual cartridge.
> MIS said EZN has only two different inks.
The EZ midtone inks are neutral or warm. That's it. They both have the
same density.
> How about UT7? All seven are different inks?
Yes.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
2006-01-08 by Paul Roark
Philip, > ... I was looking at QTR 2200 profiles for UT7 inkset. >I found majority profiles are using 3 or 4 inks only ... I have not looked at the QTR curves. For some situations the light toner might be able to give enough toning for a decent image, at least on a matte paper. However, for best quality for neutral tones and especially for glossy paper, I'd use all the C and M channel inks. In my view the LK and Y would be the only unused spots for most situations. However, you're best shot in a quad might be to use the UT7 C and LC (carbons) and the Ut7 LM as the sole toner. In a modern quad like the C86, that might work. > Is it possible, using Epson drivers we need more than 3 or 4 inks, but > use QTR we need only 3 or 4 for each paper? QTR can be more efficient in this respect than the Epson driver. The LK, for example, is really a wasted spot for B&W with the Epson driver. However, I suspect, especially for glossy papers, at least 4 gray inks are needed for best quality in neutral prints. The light toner only will probably not be able to stop a visible cross-over in the shadows, and it may flood the glossy papers there also. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> Roark
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:17 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
>
>
> Philip,
>
> > For most papers we only need about 3 or 4 inks/positions from UT7
> > so it is possible to use UT7 in 4 or 6 color Epson printers.
> > Is this correct?
>
> No, UT7 needs the cyan and magenta hextone channels, in addition to the
> black ink. It has light and dark warm carbon and cool toner inks. A
> 4-ink
> printer only has 3 spots aside from the black. The UT1 is the
> variable-tone
> inkset that will work in a 4-ink ("quadtone") printer.
>
> > Also is it possible to buy only 3 inks if only use PhotoRag for warm
> or
> > cold tone, and 5 inks for both? And keep other position with original
> > Epson inks?
>
> The yellow position is the only one that is really optional and open.
> If
> you are using a rip, you can also do without the LK.
>
> With the Epson driver, you probably could put almost anything in the Y
> spot.
> To turn on the black ink with the Epson driver that ink does need to be
> "full-on" in the curves set at 100%. While the black ink is substituted
> for
> all the midtones at that point, there is a slight risk that too high a
> gamut
> ink in the Y position would affect the tone of the image in the deep
> shadows.
>
> You can buy the inks in bulk or by the individual cartridge.
>
> > MIS said EZN has only two different inks.
>
> The EZ midtone inks are neutral or warm. That's it. They both have the
> same density.
>
> > How about UT7? All seven are different inks?
>
> Yes.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
>
>
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>RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
2006-01-09 by Pacific New Media
Paul, Thanks for your help. I will do some tests on the setups you recommended: For 4 colors, I should try K (gray), C (gray), LC (gray), and LM (toner). For 6 color, I will try to use all inks except Y. Thanks, - philip
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Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:45 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
Philip,
> ... I was looking at QTR 2200 profiles for UT7 inkset.
>I found majority profiles are using 3 or 4 inks only ...
I have not looked at the QTR curves. For some situations the light toner
might be able to give enough toning for a decent image, at least on a
matte
paper. However, for best quality for neutral tones and especially for
glossy paper, I'd use all the C and M channel inks. In my view the LK and
Y
would be the only unused spots for most situations.
However, you're best shot in a quad might be to use the UT7 C and LC
(carbons) and the Ut7 LM as the sole toner. In a modern quad like the
C86,
that might work.
> Is it possible, using Epson drivers we need more than 3 or 4 inks, but
> use QTR we need only 3 or 4 for each paper?
QTR can be more efficient in this respect than the Epson driver. The LK,
for example, is really a wasted spot for B&W with the Epson driver.
However, I suspect, especially for glossy papers, at least 4 gray inks are
needed for best quality in neutral prints. The light toner only will
probably not be able to stop a visible cross-over in the shadows, and it
may
flood the glossy papers there also.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> Roark
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:17 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
>
>
> Philip,
>
> > For most papers we only need about 3 or 4 inks/positions from UT7
> > so it is possible to use UT7 in 4 or 6 color Epson printers.
> > Is this correct?
>
> No, UT7 needs the cyan and magenta hextone channels, in addition to
the
> black ink. It has light and dark warm carbon and cool toner inks. A
> 4-ink
> printer only has 3 spots aside from the black. The UT1 is the
> variable-tone
> inkset that will work in a 4-ink ("quadtone") printer.
>
> > Also is it possible to buy only 3 inks if only use PhotoRag for warm
> or
> > cold tone, and 5 inks for both? And keep other position with
original
> > Epson inks?
>
> The yellow position is the only one that is really optional and open.
> If
> you are using a rip, you can also do without the LK.
>
> With the Epson driver, you probably could put almost anything in the Y
> spot.
> To turn on the black ink with the Epson driver that ink does need to
be
> "full-on" in the curves set at 100%. While the black ink is
substituted
> for
> all the midtones at that point, there is a slight risk that too high a
> gamut
> ink in the Y position would affect the tone of the image in the deep
> shadows.
>
> You can buy the inks in bulk or by the individual cartridge.
>
> > MIS said EZN has only two different inks.
>
> The EZ midtone inks are neutral or warm. That's it. They both have
the
> same density.
>
> > How about UT7? All seven are different inks?
>
> Yes.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
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2006-01-09 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Philip, > > > ... I was looking at QTR 2200 profiles for UT7 inkset. > >I found majority profiles are using 3 or 4 inks only ... > > I have not looked at the QTR curves. You're lucky. I have. > For some situations the light toner > might be able to give enough toning for a decent image, at least on a matte > paper. However, for best quality for neutral tones and especially for > glossy paper, I'd use all the C and M channel inks. In my view the LK and Y > would be the only unused spots for most situations. Quite true. > However, you're best shot in a quad might be to use the UT7 C and LC > (carbons) and the Ut7 LM as the sole toner. In a modern quad like the C86, > that might work. > > > > Is it possible, using Epson drivers we need more than 3 or 4 inks, but > > use QTR we need only 3 or 4 for each paper? > > QTR can be more efficient in this respect than the Epson driver. The LK, > for example, is really a wasted spot for B&W with the Epson driver. > However, I suspect, especially for glossy papers, at least 4 gray inks are > needed for best quality in neutral prints. The light toner only will > probably not be able to stop a visible cross-over in the shadows, and it may > flood the glossy papers there also. Light C and light M can stop the crossover, right down to the shadows, but no existing QTR curves are written that way. This will not "flood" most papers, the liquid limit is way higher than the pigment limit. You can dump almost twice as much "wet stuff" on the paper before you run risk of smear or warp as you can before you overload the pigment and start losing DMAX. But this will "flood" the algorithm in the antiquated GIMP print engine in QTR. You'll get "white worms" from the lighter colors.
Re: [Digital BW] Questions about MIS UT7 setup and dilutions
2006-01-09 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Pacific New Media" <panmedia@c...> wrote: > > Paul, > > Thanks for your help. I will do some tests on the setups you recommended: > > For 4 colors, I should try K (gray), C (gray), LC (gray), and LM (toner). It won't hurt to bring in LK (gray) between K and C. > For 6 color, I will try to use all inks except Y. The Y channel is where I put the glop. ;)