Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 1/12/06 10:31:23 PM, rejean94@... writes:


> Are there any profiles to softproof images in that are printed in
> advanced B&W when the color toning is different than neutral ?
> 

There's really no direct way of defining what non-neutral tones are in this 
non-ICC system. But you can print a profiling target at a given set of 
settings, and build a color profile for that setup, then use that profile to softproof 
those settings. As long as you could repeat the settings, the proof profile 
would remain valid. There would probably be some editing required to get that 
profile to be close enough. The ColorVision profiling engine has always done a 
surperior job of building preview profiles for B&W systems, so I assume it   
would be a good choice here as well. Guess I'll have to fire up a K3 printer 
and see what PrintFIX PRO will do in terms of K3 SoftProof profiles.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Rejean - yes there is.  If you have a spectrophotometer such as an EyeOne,
you can (and should) use QTR Create ICC to profile the output of Epson Adv
B&W at each of your favourite settings.  You can use the ICC profile that's
created to give you full colour soft proofing and luminance management when
printing. I would not use the approach described below because it doesn't
help you with luminance management when you actually go to print.

> From: <CDTobie@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:57:47 EST
> To: <rejean94@...>, <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] [Epson-R2400] softproofing in advanced B&W
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/12/06 10:31:23 PM, rejean94@... writes:
> 
> 
>> Are there any profiles to softproof images in that are printed in
>> advanced B&W when the color toning is different than neutral ?
>> 
> 
> There's really no direct way of defining what non-neutral tones are in this
> non-ICC system. But you can print a profiling target at a given set of
> settings, and build a color profile for that setup, then use that profile to
> softproof 
> those settings. As long as you could repeat the settings, the proof profile
> would remain valid. There would probably be some editing required to get that
> profile to be close enough. The ColorVision profiling engine has always done a
> surperior job of building preview profiles for B&W systems, so I assume it
> would be a good choice here as well. Guess I'll have to fire up a K3 printer
> and see what PrintFIX PRO will do in terms of K3 SoftProof profiles.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

In a message dated 1/13/06 5:17:06 AM, stevekale@... writes:


> You can use the ICC profile that's
> created to give you full colour soft proofing and luminance management when
> printing. I would not use the approach described below because it doesn't
> help you with luminance management when you actually go to print.
> 
You would have to build differing print-preview profiles at differing 
luminance slider settings to contol that with standard printer profiles of the type 
I'm describing. There are also viewing light luminance and temperature color 
settings that could be used in preview matching...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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When I say luminance management I mean a luminance managed (single axis
colour managed) workflow.  QTR Create ICC creates what one might call a
lopsided ICC profile.  For the soft proofing leg there is full colour
information.  On the PCS to Device leg there is only luminance axis
management.  The profiles are used for soft proofing AND for printing, in
like manner to a full colour managed workflow.  One creates a profile for
each set of Adv B&W parameters.  Of course there are an infinite number of
combinations but most settle on a few quite quickly.  In addition, the
light/dark and other luminance axis variables in the driver are redundant.
Pick one set and stick with them.  Better to edit in PS than in the driver.

> From: <CDTobie@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:18:16 EST
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] [Epson-R2400] softproofing in advanced B&W
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/13/06 5:17:06 AM, stevekale@... writes:
> 
> 
>> You can use the ICC profile that's
>> created to give you full colour soft proofing and luminance management when
>> printing. I would not use the approach described below because it doesn't
>> help you with luminance management when you actually go to print.
>> 
> You would have to build differing print-preview profiles at differing
> luminance slider settings to contol that with standard printer profiles of the
> type 
> I'm describing. There are also viewing light luminance and temperature color
> settings that could be used in preview matching...
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com