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2006-02-15 by royalrex1
Has anybody had any problems with the paper feeding mechanism on a Epson 2200 printer. After about 2-3 years of use, the mechanism that feeds the paper from the top will no longer work by itself. You either have to help the paper get picked up, or feed the paper in the back from the roll-paper input. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thank you
2006-02-15 by Frank Kolwicz
Yes, I'm having that kind of a problem - most Super B sheets (what I use most often) need careful hand feeding, but there's a slight wrinkle on it for me: the paper seems to load fairly well by hand with a new sheet, but if I have to run a sheet through more than once, for instance when running some kinds of tests, I have to use a backer sheet and sometimes even that requires multiple feeds to get the paper in right. My 2200 is a couple of years old, but has not been used much, I only print for myself and I don't have a lot of throughput. I've tried feeding a window-cleaner dampened sheet through a few times and that may have helped, but it certainly didn't restore new paper feeding action. I used a scrap sheet of SuperB matte paper about 1/2 dampened, 1/2 dry and fed the dry end first to eliminate the problem of trying to get the soft, wet, curl fed properly. Maybe dampening both sides slightly would be a good idea. Frank _____________________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:36:35 -0000
From: "royalrex1" <ryan@...> Has anybody had any problems with the paper feeding mechanism on a Epson 2200 printer. After about 2-3 years of use, the mechanism that feeds the paper from the top will no longer work by itself. You either have to help the paper get picked up, or feed the paper in the back from the roll-paper input. Does anybody know how to fix this?
2006-02-16 by Clayton Jones
Hello Ryan, >Has anybody had any problems with the paper feeding mechanism on a >Epson 2200 printer. Yes, and there have been several similar reports here over the past 6 months. All seem to be at around 2 years of age. Last summer as my 2200 approached 2 yrs the paper feed mechanism began giving problems. In August it suddenly got worse by making loud noises and locking up once. I had 30 days left on the replacement warranty so I traded it in for a 2400. >After about 2-3 years of use, the mechanism that >feeds the paper from the top will no longer work by itself. I don't know if it's fixable. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
2006-02-16 by djon43
I'm pretty sure there was mention of a recent change in QTR that, until fixed, influenced top feed with heavy papers. Mine got cranky, then improved with the current upgrade. In any case, is it another case of the dread Intelligunk Design (y'all)...that curses certain printer vintages to mysteriously fail, on a predictable basis? Sounds like a window of opportunity for advocates of Intelligunk Engineering. We might expect breakdowns with heavy usage, but I suspect more common feed problems have to do with junque accumulation from soft art papers, insistance of running heavy paper thru the top (eg anything above 200 gsm), perhaps a QTR issue, and (I've watched this) dramatic yanking-out of jams (I've never had a jam with 2200, but some folks seem jam-prone...hopefully not an indicator of Devolution). --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> wrote:
> > Hello Ryan, > > >Has anybody had any problems with the paper feeding mechanism on a > >Epson 2200 printer. > > Yes, and there have been several similar reports here over the past 6 > months. All seem to be at around 2 years of age. Last summer as my > 2200 approached 2 yrs the paper feed mechanism began giving problems. > In August it suddenly got worse by making loud noises and locking up > once. I had 30 days left on the replacement warranty so I traded it > in for a 2400. > > > >After about 2-3 years of use, the mechanism that > >feeds the paper from the top will no longer work by itself. > > I don't know if it's fixable. > > > Regards, > Clayton > > > Info on black and white digital printing at > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm >
2006-02-16 by djon43
Super B size probably isn't the problem unless you're having trouble with unusally (in that size) thin stock. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Epson recommends all heavy paper (eg 15mil/190gsm +) be loaded from the back. 15mil/190gsm of all sizes (eg Moab Kayenta) have almost reliable for a first pass from the top, but essentially impossible for a second pass (eg when printing on both sides). Since I don't need "almost reliable," I load from the back, per Epson's design and recommendation...that's 100%. First experimenting with 305 gsm Entrada from the top I could "load fairly well" for a first pass by flexing it forward to introduce a slight curve or break down some of the rigidity. But I could not load it from the top for a second pass: it appeared the pigment itself has absorbed and changed the paper, as no amount of flexing of the printed paper seemed to allow it to pass from the top again...it didn't appear to be a matter of paper stiffness the second time, the way it is the first. Since I don't want "almost reliable", I usually load 15mil paper from the back now, which I do think is Epson's recommendation, even though it does work sometimes from the top. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Frank Kolwicz <kolwicz@...> wrote: > > Yes, I'm having that kind of a problem - most Super B sheets (what I use most often) > need careful hand feeding, but there's a slight wrinkle on it for me: the paper seems to load fairly well by hand with a new sheet, but if I have to run a sheet through more than once, for instance when running some kinds of tests, I have to use a backer sheet and sometimes even that requires multiple feeds to get the paper in right. > > My 2200 is a couple of years old, but has not been used much, I only print for myself and I don't have a lot of throughput. > > I've tried feeding a window-cleaner dampened sheet through a few times and that may have helped, but it certainly didn't restore new paper feeding action. I used a scrap sheet of SuperB matte paper about 1/2 dampened, 1/2 dry and fed the dry end first to eliminate the problem of trying to get the soft, wet, curl fed properly. Maybe dampening both sides slightly would be a good idea.
> > Frank > _____________________________________________________________ > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:36:35 -0000 > From: "royalrex1" <ryan@...> > > Has anybody had any problems with the paper feeding mechanism on a > Epson 2200 printer. After about 2-3 years of use, the mechanism that > feeds the paper from the top will no longer work by itself. You either > have to help the paper get picked up, or feed the paper in the back > from the roll-paper input. > > Does anybody know how to fix this? >
2006-02-16 by fjohn1963
I had this problem too. You really get to dread that sound it makes when it tries again and again to grasp the paper. In my case it finally caused me to take my printer in to be "refurbished". I brought it home, plugged it in and it worked perfect again. (And it was shiny and clean and even smelled good. It was like a whole new printer.) After about six or seven 11x17 prints on 308 GSM HPR, the exact same paper feed issues started up again. After the problem starts, no matte type paper I try will consistently feed properly. In my case this is HPR and EEM. It will work once in a while, maybe even three or four times in a row, but the problem keeps occurring. On the other hand gloss and luster papers have no problem. After using gloss and luster papers for a while, I try some matte paper works fine again. I'm convinced that the problem occurred because running HPR through the top feed leaves behind a good deal of unbound dust. The dust coats the rollers and the rollers can no longer "grab" matte paper. I have no advice about cleaning the rollers, except to use non-matte paper for a series of prints, which seems to help clear gunk.
2006-02-16 by bwinkjet
Yes, I too have have this problem. The best fix I have found is to spray both sides of a thick matt paper with Windex with ammonia and feed it through from the back repeatedly. This treatment usually lasts a few months and then has to be repeated if you are printing on thick art paper. HTH Paul --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "fjohn1963" <john@...> wrote: > > I had this problem too. You really get to dread that sound it makes > when it tries again and again to grasp the paper. In my case it > finally caused me to take my printer in to be "refurbished". I > brought it home, plugged it in and it worked perfect again. (And it > was shiny and clean and even smelled good. It was like a whole new > printer.) After about six or seven 11x17 prints on 308 GSM HPR, the > exact same paper feed issues started up again. After the problem > starts, no matte type paper I try will consistently feed properly. > In my case this is HPR and EEM. It will work once in a while, maybe > even three or four times in a row, but the problem keeps occurring. > > On the other hand gloss and luster papers have no problem. After > using gloss and luster papers for a while, I try some matte paper > works fine again. I'm convinced that the problem occurred because > running HPR through the top feed leaves behind a good deal of > unbound dust. The dust coats the rollers and the rollers can no > longer "grab" matte paper. I have no advice about cleaning the > rollers, except to use non-matte paper for a series of prints, which > seems to help clear gunk. >
2006-02-17 by John Moody
I find that if the printer is located for good physical access to it, that I can perform a manual load from the rear very easily. Flat feeding of heavy papers is good practice for the 2200. Initially rear loading was awkward, now I dont even think about it. Practice it a dozen or so times and you may surprise yourself with how easy it becomes. Best regards, John Moody
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of fjohn1963 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:39 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: EPSON 2200 Paper feeding issue I had this problem too. You really get to dread that sound it makes when it tries again and again to grasp the paper. In my case it finally caused me to take my printer in to be "refurbished". I brought it home, plugged it in and it worked perfect again. (And it was shiny and clean and even smelled good. It was like a whole new printer.) After about six or seven 11x17 prints on 308 GSM HPR, the exact same paper feed issues started up again. After the problem starts, no matte type paper I try will consistently feed properly. In my case this is HPR and EEM. It will work once in a while, maybe even three or four times in a row, but the problem keeps occurring. On the other hand gloss and luster papers have no problem. After using gloss and luster papers for a while, I try some matte paper works fine again. I'm convinced that the problem occurred because running HPR through the top feed leaves behind a good deal of unbound dust. The dust coats the rollers and the rollers can no longer "grab" matte paper. I have no advice about cleaning the rollers, except to use non-matte paper for a series of prints, which seems to help clear gunk. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-02-17 by alanrew42
Is there a way to use the rear feed of a 2200 without losing about 3.5cm (1.4 inches) of paper length? Having tried rear-feeding an A4 sized sheet of DaVinci Fibre Gloss in my 2100 (the feed rollers curently have problems gripping this paper, possibly due to previous use of HM PR) I couldn't fit the image on the page, as the printer senses the use of the rear slot and at that point draws it through the mechanism until it's well past the print heads (before you've even issued a print request to the driver). Apart from taping a piece of waste paper onto the leading edge of the paper, I can't figure out an easy way to get back that extra bit of 'lost length'. TIA Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" <moodymz3@...> wrote: > > I find that if the printer is located for good physical access to it, that I > can perform a manual load from the rear very easily. > Flat feeding of heavy papers is good practice for the 2200. Initially rear > loading was awkward, now I don't even think about it. Practice it a dozen
> or so times and you may surprise yourself with how easy it becomes. > > Best regards, > John Moody >
2006-02-17 by John Moody
It sounds like you are not installing it correctly. I clamp the paper edge about 1/8 in front of the rollers but the manual may have better advice; you may be inserting it too far for it to index the paper properly. See if that helps. Best regards, John Moody
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alanrew42 Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:44 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: EPSON 2200 Paper feeding issue Is there a way to use the rear feed of a 2200 without losing about 3.5cm (1.4 inches) of paper length? Having tried rear-feeding an A4 sized sheet of DaVinci Fibre Gloss in my 2100 (the feed rollers curently have problems gripping this paper, possibly due to previous use of HM PR) I couldn't fit the image on the page, as the printer senses the use of the rear slot and at that point draws it through the mechanism until it's well past the print heads (before you've even issued a print request to the driver). Apart from taping a piece of waste paper onto the leading edge of the paper, I can't figure out an easy way to get back that extra bit of 'lost length'. TIA Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" <moodymz3@...> wrote: > > I find that if the printer is located for good physical access to it, that I > can perform a manual load from the rear very easily. > Flat feeding of heavy papers is good practice for the 2200. Initially rear > loading was awkward, now I don't even think about it. Practice it a dozen > or so times and you may surprise yourself with how easy it becomes. > > Best regards, > John Moody > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. 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2006-02-17 by djon43
IMO HPR's not-quite-close-and-no-cigar as fake-airdried-glossy, not worth the problems people are reporting. I commonly run 305GSM 13X19 Entrada through the back slot, the way the machine was designed, and I've also managed to get it to feed from the top...a bad idea, unreliable, but possible. I think noises and erratic experience demonstrate that top loading heavy paper stresses the mechanism unnecessarily. The maximum print size on 13X19 will always be 12X18, from what I've read and seen. 2200's not a borderless printer in any size, as far as I know. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alanrew42" <Alan-Rew@...> wrote: > > Is there a way to use the rear feed of a 2200 without losing about > 3.5cm (1.4 inches) of paper length? > > Having tried rear-feeding an A4 sized sheet of DaVinci Fibre Gloss in > my 2100 (the feed rollers curently have problems gripping this paper, > possibly due to previous use of HM PR) I couldn't fit the image on the > page, as the printer senses the use of the rear slot and at that point > draws it through the mechanism until it's well past the print heads > (before you've even issued a print request to the driver). Apart from > taping a piece of waste paper onto the leading edge of the paper, I > can't figure out an easy way to get back that extra bit of 'lost length'.
> > TIA > > Alan > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" > <moodymz3@> wrote: > > > > I find that if the printer is located for good physical access to > it, that I > > can perform a manual load from the rear very easily. > > Flat feeding of heavy papers is good practice for the 2200. > Initially rear > > loading was awkward, now I don't even think about it. Practice it a > dozen > > or so times and you may surprise yourself with how easy it becomes. > > > > Best regards, > > John Moody > > >
2006-02-17 by Steve Kale
I've never had any issues with my 2100 and rear feeding. I just slotted some Da Vinci through the rear slot of my 2100 without any problems. It even went through the top loader fine but I would not recommend it. Margins are not affected by the rear feeder vs top loader.
> From: djon43 <djon43@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:17:49 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: EPSON 2200 Paper feeding issue > > IMO HPR's not-quite-close-and-no-cigar as fake-airdried-glossy, not > worth the problems people are reporting. > > I commonly run 305GSM 13X19 Entrada through the back slot, the way the > machine was designed, and I've also managed to get it to feed from the > top...a bad idea, unreliable, but possible. I think noises and erratic > experience demonstrate that top loading heavy paper stresses the > mechanism unnecessarily. > > The maximum print size on 13X19 will always be 12X18, from what I've > read and seen. 2200's not a borderless printer in any size, as far as > I know. > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alanrew42" > <Alan-Rew@...> wrote: >> >> Is there a way to use the rear feed of a 2200 without losing about >> 3.5cm (1.4 inches) of paper length? >> >> Having tried rear-feeding an A4 sized sheet of DaVinci Fibre Gloss in >> my 2100 (the feed rollers curently have problems gripping this paper, >> possibly due to previous use of HM PR) I couldn't fit the image on the >> page, as the printer senses the use of the rear slot and at that point >> draws it through the mechanism until it's well past the print heads >> (before you've even issued a print request to the driver). Apart from >> taping a piece of waste paper onto the leading edge of the paper, I >> can't figure out an easy way to get back that extra bit of 'lost > length'. >> >> TIA >> >> Alan
2006-02-17 by James Parker
You can get a print about 12.25 x 18.375 out of it using the minimize margins setting. Don't know the exact dimensions. I set up my 12 x 18's with extra margins for matting (18.375 x 12.25) which will print within the minimal margins give or take. Jim On 2/17/06 2:58 PM, "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Subject: Re: EPSON 2200 Paper feeding issue > > IMO HPR's not-quite-close-and-no-cigar as fake-airdried-glossy, not > worth the problems people are reporting. > > I commonly run 305GSM 13X19 Entrada through the back slot, the way the > machine was designed, and I've also managed to get it to feed from the > top...a bad idea, unreliable, but possible. I think noises and erratic > experience demonstrate that top loading heavy paper stresses the > mechanism unnecessarily. > > The maximum print size on 13X19 will always be 12X18, from what I've > read and seen. 2200's not a borderless printer in any size, as far as > I know.
2006-02-17 by John Moody
You folks must be on a Mac. :-) The standard super-B image area is 12.719 x 18.350" for my 2200/PC setup. Best regards, John Moody
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of James Parker Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:05 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: EPSON 2200 Paper feeding issue You can get a print about 12.25 x 18.375 out of it using the minimize margins setting. Don't know the exact dimensions. I set up my 12 x 18's with extra margins for matting (18.375 x 12.25) which will print within the minimal margins give or take. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-02-18 by James Parker
Thanks for looking up the exact dimensions... I was too lazy to do that ;-) Jim On 2/18/06 1:49 AM, "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Subject: RE: Re: EPSON 2200 Paper feeding issue > > You folks must be on a Mac. :-) > The standard super-B image area is 12.719 x 18.350" for my 2200/PC setup. > > Best regards, > John Moody