Digital BW, The Print

Has anybody on here bought MIS UT(R200) netural ink put all 7 inks in 
the photo 2200? I mean you could do that right? Qudtone and print 
meter you could make almost a custom ink! RIGHT!?!? So help please!

> Has anybody on here bought MIS UT(R200) netural ink put all 7 inks in 
> the photo 2200? I mean you could do that right? Qudtone and print 
> meter you could make almost a custom ink! RIGHT!?!? So help please!

You can put anything you want into a 2200 if you are using a RIP to
control it.  When I had a 2200 I experimented with custom ink blends,
and several others in this forum have reported using custom mixtures.
 Some are using Epson K3 with R1800 toners, some using PT-K7, etc.  So
to answer your question, yes it can be done.  I'm using R2 warm (no
toners) in a R200 and am finding it to be a very fine ink set.  


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

> Has anybody on here bought MIS UT(R200) netural ink put all 7 inks in
> the photo 2200? I mean you could do that right? Qudtone and print
> meter you could make almost a custom ink! RIGHT!?!? So help please!
> 

My belief is that the R2 inkset will work in any Epson hextone or UC k2
printer.  That is, I'm not really targeting individual printers any more.  I
think the ink densities I'm using are fairly universal for Epson.  Although
it's not widely understood, the carbon M & C, or LM, LC & Y inks in every
inkset I've mixed from the UT2 forward are the same.  (The base has changed
in all of them.)  The dark carbon goes back even further.  In particular,
UT-C = UT2-M = UT7-C = R2W-M & C.  UT2-LM = UT7-LC = R2W-LC, LM & Y. 

The neutral inks vary in their tone, depending on what papers are most
popular at the time.  The densities are essentially the same, however.

So, R2 neutral or carbon dark gray (C & M) could be put in the C & M spots
of a 2200.  R2 light could be put in the LC, LM and Y spots.  One bulk
bottle of each density and tone gives you the full range.  They can be
installed or mixed in different ways to get intermediate tones.  If you want
sepia, the UT2 and UT7 sepias are the same and the light density; just
transition them to a dark carbon for a full range sepia image.  For the LK,
use standard MP Lk for warm or UT7 LK for neutral.  Oddly the MIS 7600 LK is
a hair lighter than the MP or k4 LK.

With the dark & light standard outlined above, no rip is needed for a good
grayscale.  The printers should all print well with the Epson driver set to
"Color Controls" and sliders at 0.  The whole system is based on my
reverse-engineering the Epson ink standards, and those have been quite
consistent -- so far.  Epson obviously designs its inks and drivers
together.  So, these ink densities work very well with those drivers.

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

ok thanks for your help! I am comming to the conclusion that its ok to 
experiment with ink on your own prints and time but if you are trying 
to sell prints and have a saying that it will last then you need to 
invest in one ink system and stay with it. Is there anybody out there 
that has a custom ink set and is sell prints using that ink set?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
> 
> My belief is that the R2 inkset will work in any Epson hextone or UC k2
> printer.  That is, I'm not really targeting individual printers any
more.  I

Should it also work for the hextone all-in-one machines, such as the
RX620, or are there driver differences there?

- Bob

Bob,

I don't know anything about the all-in-one machines.  If they use standard
Epson hextone inks, then it probably would.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:24 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] rechipped mis ink
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> >
> > My belief is that the R2 inkset will work in any Epson hextone or UC k2
> > printer.  That is, I'm not really targeting individual printers any
> more.  I
> 
> Should it also work for the hextone all-in-one machines, such as the
> RX620, or are there driver differences there?
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
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Paul,

>Although it's not widely understood, the carbon M & C, or LM, LC & Y
>inks in every inkset I've mixed from the UT2 forward are the same.  
>(The base has changed in all of them.)  

When did the base change?  I'm trying to determine if my bottles of
UT7 inks are new or old base.  Is there anything on the label that
indicates this?  Thanks much.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

The RX series all-in-ones do indeed use the same cartridges as the R
series printers. Nice package--comes with film/slide holders for the
scanner, which is slow but quite good with slides. Hmm...

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> 
> I don't know anything about the all-in-one machines.  If they use
standard
> Epson hextone inks, then it probably would.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
l33ry
> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:24 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] rechipped mis ink
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My belief is that the R2 inkset will work in any Epson hextone
or UC k2

> > > printer.  That is, I'm not really targeting individual printers any
> > more.  I
> > 
> > Should it also work for the hextone all-in-one machines, such as the
> > RX620, or are there driver differences there?
> > 
> > - Bob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

TWIMC, I just want to clarify that I meant to compare the RX
all-in-ones to the low-end R series (R200, R320, etc.) which use the
T048xxx ink cartridges (and thus potentially can use the MIS UT-R2
cartridges). The high-end R800, R1800, etc. use a different cartridge
and inks.

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "l33ry"
<l33ry@...> wrote:
>
> The RX series all-in-ones do indeed use the same cartridges as the R
> series printers. Nice package--comes with film/slide holders for the
> scanner, which is slow but quite good with slides. Hmm...
> 
> Bob
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> > 
> > I don't know anything about the all-in-one machines.  If they use
> standard
> > Epson hextone inks, then it probably would.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> l33ry
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:24 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] rechipped mis ink
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > > <paul.roark@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My belief is that the R2 inkset will work in any Epson hextone
> or UC k2
> > > > printer.  That is, I'm not really targeting individual
printers any

> > > more.  I
> > > 
> > > Should it also work for the hextone all-in-one machines, such as the
> > > RX620, or are there driver differences there?
> > > 
> > > - Bob
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
>

Thanks for all the info!