Digital BW, The Print

I used to think that artist(oil, paint, mixed media, music) had the 
biggest listen problems. But with my recent experience(used to be 
production assit) printmakers are just as bad.  It is as if they dont 
hear a thing you say.  I say I want epson preiuem glossy b/w 5x7 
prints and they ony hear RC paper.  Yes I understand educating the 
customer but beating them down as they was stupid(citing print quality 
info that any competive customer can find on the internet) is crazy.  
What happened to educating the customer and giving them what they want?

I normally just say that I can't or won't print on XYZ paper. If they 
still want me to make a print for them, then one of the alternative 
papers that I would list would have to be chosen. There are reasons why 
all of us chose the papers we chose, some times though it simple comes 
down to price/profit margin.

And i agree that if it comes down to price/profit margin with certain 
paper, than i offer to print on the paper if the customer buys it and 
i charge for custom profiling my printers and reduce per print price.  
i am talking more about a snobing attitude. As if printing certain 
things was beneath them.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "drkhorsetdj" 
<tdouse@...> wrote:
>
> And i agree that if it comes down to price/profit margin with certain 
> paper, than i offer to print on the paper if the customer buys it and 
> i charge for custom profiling my printers and reduce per print 
price.  
> i am talking more about a snobing attitude. As if printing certain 
> things was beneath them.
>

I happily print pictures of peoples' vacation or their cats on things 
like canvas. As long as the subject matter won't put me in jail, I 
don't really care what it is as long as the bill gets paid and the 
people are decent to deal with.

If the files are a mess, I'lll let the customer know that there may be 
problems, and why there may be problems. Often I help them to fix those 
images, and hopefully they learn something for next time.

Speaking of "deserve": 

"The customer" doesn't always deserve what he "wants." If he wants
something someone doesn't want to provide, he should go elsewhere
without whining.

Epson Premium Glossy is a low quality product: bad B&W. Why would any
self respecting printer want to have his work displayed on it? If he
rejects a customer over the customer's demand for bad work,
congratulations to him for his guts.

Printers deserve to do what THEY want, gambling their reputations on
it. They're not government employees after all. 

If that loses business, it's their tough luck: capitalism. 

As often the "artist attitude" will pay off for a highly skilled
custom printer: it justifies asking a high price IF the work supports
the attitude...it's always been that way in all crafts. 

People who primarily shop for bargains and obedience, without
seriously considering the printer's opinion, get what they "deserve."


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "drkhorsetdj"
<tdouse@...> wrote:

>
> I used to think that artist(oil, paint, mixed media, music) had the 
> biggest listen problems. But with my recent experience(used to be 
> production assit) printmakers are just as bad.  It is as if they dont 
> hear a thing you say.  I say I want epson preiuem glossy b/w 5x7 
> prints and they ony hear RC paper.  Yes I understand educating the 
> customer but beating them down as they was stupid(citing print quality 
> info that any competive customer can find on the internet) is crazy.  
> What happened to educating the customer and giving them what they want?
>