Digital BW, The Print

Hi to all,
I had been reading recently some Clayton Johnes paper and got
interested in BO printing. However, I own a R2400 printer which daesnt
supporte it natively. How do I print BO in that case? Would QTR with a
profile where
only the Black ink is switched on solve the problem?
Thanks for your comments.
     Daniela

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dgattarino"
<dgattarino@...> wrote:
>
> Hi to all,
> I had been reading recently some Clayton Johnes paper and got
> interested in BO printing. However, I own a R2400 printer which daesnt
> supporte it natively. How do I print BO in that case? Would QTR with a
> profile where
> only the Black ink is switched on solve the problem?
> Thanks for your comments.
>      Daniela
>

What do you mean by "doesn't support it natively"?

Does this mean you've tried his advice on
http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn9.htm

and it doesn't work?

Unfortunately, that's not BO printing. Read, infact, the last section
of the papr you mentioned
Cheers



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alanrew42"
<Alan-Rew@...> wrote:

>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dgattarino"
> <dgattarino@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi to all,
> > I had been reading recently some Clayton Johnes paper and got
> > interested in BO printing. However, I own a R2400 printer which daesnt
> > supporte it natively. How do I print BO in that case? Would QTR with a
> > profile where
> > only the Black ink is switched on solve the problem?
> > Thanks for your comments.
> >      Daniela
> >
> 
> What do you mean by "doesn't support it natively"?
> 
> Does this mean you've tried his advice on
> http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn9.htm
> 
> and it doesn't work?
>

> 
> What do you mean by "doesn't support it natively"?

It means the 2400 doesn't have a setting for BO printing

 
> Does this mean you've tried his advice on
> http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn9.htm
> 
> and it doesn't work?

Presumably because it's not BO Printing?

That's for printing using the Epson ABW software.

I presume someone wants to use BO pritnign to get the punchy/slightly 
grainy "Tri-X" look it gives. Not one that I personally like, but it 
appeals to some

(BTW there are a couple of 2400 profiles in QTR which work pretty well 
and give a slightly different look than the ABW)

tim a

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dgattarino" <dgattarino@...> wrote:
>
> Hi to all,
> I had been reading recently some Clayton Johnes paper and got
> interested in BO printing. However, I own a R2400 printer which daesnt
> supporte it natively. How do I print BO in that case? Would QTR with a
> profile where
> only the Black ink is switched on solve the problem?
> Thanks for your comments.
>      Daniela
>
My R2400 Epson software has a setting for BLACK, under"print settings">"color" . Clayton has 
been a great source for me perhaps his instructions could help?
Julian Kaiser

Hello Julian,

>My R2400 Epson software has a setting for BLACK, under "print 
>settings">"color" . 

Now you have my curiosity up, but I can't find this.  Can you describe
in more detail where you see it?  Many thanks.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hi Julian,
my Epson software daesnt have that setting you are mentioning.
Regards,
Daniela




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Julian,
> 
> >My R2400 Epson software has a setting for BLACK, under "print 
> >settings">"color" . 
> 
> Now you have my curiosity up, but I can't find this.  Can you describe
> in more detail where you see it?  Many thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Julian,
> 
> >My R2400 Epson software has a setting for BLACK, under "print 
> >settings">"color" . 
> 
> Now you have my curiosity up, but I can't find this.  Can you describe
> in more detail where you see it?  Many thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>
Yo Clayton!{and everyone else out there}
Remembering I'm on a Mac, OS10.4.5, with the latest driver from the Epson site.

 When I print,{command P} the first window has a pull down menu-default says"copies and 
pages". Pull down to "printer settings" The next window, go to COLOR:choices are:Color/
Advanced B&W/ BLACK. I have the Image profile set for 20% dot gain, PS2 is managing 
color, printer profile is 20% dot gain.
 
I've been working in ABW 'mode' and falling in love with Kayenta! Haven't 
explored all the settings in the Epson driver,{been using a workflow from that guy Clayton} 

Do you know where I can find a good set of instructions for the R2400? Not happy with the 
one that came in the box. My issues are dumb things like paper not catching-not 
feeding;controlling roll paper feed. Maybe I just need more time on the machine?

Thank You Clayton! You Rule!

Julian Kaiser

Hello Julian,

>Remembering I'm on a Mac, OS10.4.5, with the latest driver from the 
>Epson site.

Ok, understood.  My PC version is nothing like this.


>COLOR:choices are:Color/Advanced B&W/ BLACK. 

What happens when you choose BLACK?


>I've been working in ABW 'mode' and falling in love with Kayenta! 

Yes, Kayenta is really nice paper, one of my favorites.



>explored all the settings in the Epson driver,{been using a 
>workflow from that guy Clayton} 

Who?  Never heard of him.



>Do you know where I can find a good set of instructions for the 
>R2400? Not happy with the one that came in the box. 

No, sorry.


>My issues are dumb things like paper not catching-not feeding

I found that putting a slight bend in the stiff/thick papers helps it
feed into the jaws of the grabber easier.  It also helps to give it a
firm but brief nudge to move it forward into the grabber - just a tiny
bit.  Too much and it will be rejected and passed through.


Regards,
Clayton

Julian,

 Guess what? I had the very same issue with paper not catching on my
2400. It drove me crazy. I called Epson tech support several times and
tried their suggestions. Only lightweight papers went thru the printer
easily.
 Finally, they sent me a new printer and the issues disappered! Even
heavier weight papers fly thru just fine.
 I suggest that you do the same. They are well aware that there are
issues with paper feeding and the 2400. 
 Good luck!
 Howard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jlk4410"
<Jlkmmw@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Julian,
> > 
> > >My R2400 Epson software has a setting for BLACK, under "print 
> > >settings">"color" . 
> > 
> > Now you have my curiosity up, but I can't find this.  Can you describe
> > in more detail where you see it?  Many thanks.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> > 
> > 
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
> Yo Clayton!{and everyone else out there}
> Remembering I'm on a Mac, OS10.4.5, with the latest driver from the
Epson site.
> 
>  When I print,{command P} the first window has a pull down
menu-default says"copies and 
> pages". Pull down to "printer settings" The next window, go to
COLOR:choices are:Color/
> Advanced B&W/ BLACK. I have the Image profile set for 20% dot gain,
PS2 is managing 
> color, printer profile is 20% dot gain.
>  
> I've been working in ABW 'mode' and falling in love with Kayenta!
Haven't 
> explored all the settings in the Epson driver,{been using a workflow
from that guy Clayton} 
> 
> Do you know where I can find a good set of instructions for the
R2400? Not happy with the 
> one that came in the box. My issues are dumb things like paper not
catching-not 
> feeding;controlling roll paper feed. Maybe I just need more time on
the machine?

> 
> Thank You Clayton! You Rule!
> 
> Julian Kaiser
>

While they are very different printers, this sounds a lot like the 
issues that some of us had with the R800.  I had to send the first 
one back as its paper feed drove me nuts.  Epson sent me a new one 
which works well, but for the occasional time the gremlins decide to 
feed a sheet straight through without stopping for ink.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "how786" 
<how786@...> wrote:
>
> Julian,
> 
>  Guess what? I had the very same issue with paper not catching on my
> 2400. It drove me crazy. I called Epson tech support several times 
and
> tried their suggestions. Only lightweight papers went thru the 
printer

> easily.
>  Finally, they sent me a new printer and the issues disappered! Even
> heavier weight papers fly thru just fine.
>  I suggest that you do the same. They are well aware that there are
> issues with paper feeding and the 2400. 
>  Good luck!
>  Howard
> 
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Julian,
> > 
> >COLOR:choices are:Color/Advanced B&W/ BLACK. 
> 
> What happens when you choose BLACK?
I get a print with a more "choked" greyscale. Not bad,shadows blocked up, more contrasty, 
and it looks like it would be worth exploring.


> 
> >My issues are dumb things like paper not catching-not feeding
> 
> I found that putting a slight bend in the stiff/thick papers helps it
> feed into the jaws of the grabber easier.  It also helps to give it a
> firm but brief nudge to move it forward into the grabber - just a tiny
> bit.  Too much and it will be rejected and passed through.
Thanks, tried a bend, tried multiple sheets& prayer! Experienced what you describe with 
the "nudge".
> 
> 
Howard suggested he had the same issues and that Epson sent him a new machine as they 
were aware of problems.

Thanks,
 julian kaiser

I hope to chime in.  I purchased a 7800 two weeks ago which has the 
latest 2.7 driver being run on Mac OSX 10.3.  From reading on this 
forum, I was under the impression that there is no Black mode for 
the K3 printers.  Well, there is a setting.  I have the option of 
choosing Color, Advanced B&W, or Black.  Out of curiosity, I printed 
one image under Black mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl paper.  The result 
was a very warm print with good detail.  Looks similar to the prints 
I would get when printing BO with my 4000.  The image bronzes while 
the same print on Advanced B&W does not.  Now I wonder whether the 
PK on the K3 inkset is actually the same as the old Ultrachromes.  
Maybe someone with more experience with the x800 printers can 
comment.

JM

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dgattarino" 
<dgattarino@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Julian,
> my Epson software daesnt have that setting you are mentioning.
> Regards,
> Daniela
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
Jones"
> <cj@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Julian,
> > 
> > >My R2400 Epson software has a setting for BLACK, under "print 
> > >settings">"color" . 
> > 
> > Now you have my curiosity up, but I can't find this.  Can you 
describe

> > in more detail where you see it?  Many thanks.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> > 
> > 
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
>

Are you MAC or PC. I'm on a MAC and my driver has the Black setting. The question is what 
does it do. Anyone.

Peter.

It says black but really still prints using all colors.

On Mar 19, 2006, at 2:34 PM, bwbonkers wrote:

> Are you MAC or PC. I'm on a MAC and my driver has the Black  
> setting. The question is what
> does it do. Anyone.
>
> Peter.

This has been discussed before.  According to Epson it depends on the paper.
On any decent photographic paper it uses all the grey/black inks.

> From: bwbonkers <PeterDLevis@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:34:51 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Black Only printing with R2400
> 
> Are you MAC or PC. I'm on a MAC and my driver has the Black setting. The
> question is what 
> does it do. Anyone.
> 
> Peter.

Interesting that the 7800 "Black" driver option behaves differently  
compared to the same option in the 2400 driver.  The latter produces  
a greenish black print and under magnification you can see CMY dots.   
Sounds like the 7800 is doing true BO.

On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:53 AM, joemulligan_68 wrote:

> I hope to chime in.  I purchased a 7800 two weeks ago which has the
> latest 2.7 driver being run on Mac OSX 10.3.  From reading on this
> forum, I was under the impression that there is no Black mode for
> the K3 printers.  Well, there is a setting.  I have the option of
> choosing Color, Advanced B&W, or Black.  Out of curiosity, I printed
> one image under Black mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl paper.  The result
> was a very warm print with good detail.  Looks similar to the prints
> I would get when printing BO with my 4000.  The image bronzes while
> the same print on Advanced B&W does not.  Now I wonder whether the
> PK on the K3 inkset is actually the same as the old Ultrachromes.
> Maybe someone with more experience with the x800 printers can
> comment.
>
> JM
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dgattarino"
> <dgattarino@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Julian,
>> my Epson software daesnt have that setting you are mentioning.
>> Regards,
>> Daniela
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton
> Jones"
>> <cj@> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Julian,
>>>
>>>> My R2400 Epson software has a setting for BLACK, under "print
>>>> settings">"color" .
>>>
>>> Now you have my curiosity up, but I can't find this.  Can you
> describe
>>> in more detail where you see it?  Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Clayton
>>>
>>>
>>> Info on black and white digital printing at
>>> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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