Digital BW, The Print

As much as I like matte, I like the cost-effectiveness of the Kirkland Glossy, and with a new 
R220 on it's way I'd like to set it up with Eboni PK and keep my 1280 dedicated to matte 
paper.

I had an idea of buying a rapidiograph pen and filling it with Eboni PK instead of india ink, 
or whatever you use in it. I can't remember but used to use one in art class back in the 
70's.

Has anyone tried this, would it work fine? 

I'm putting an order in with MIS soon for a 220 cart inkset and I will add a bulk bottle of 
said ink if there is a positive response on this.

thanks,
Craig

Craig Snyder wrote:


> As much as I like matte, I like the cost-effectiveness of the Kirkland Glossy, and with a new 
> R220 on it's way I'd like to set it up with Eboni PK and keep my 1280 dedicated to matte 
> paper.
> 
> I had an idea of buying a rapidiograph pen and filling it with Eboni PK instead of india ink, 
> or whatever you use in it. I can't remember but used to use one in art class back in the 
> 70's.
> 
> Has anyone tried this, would it work fine? 
> 
> I'm putting an order in with MIS soon for a 220 cart inkset and I will add a bulk bottle of 
> said ink if there is a positive response on this.

For several years now I'm using the Staedtler Mars Matic 700 
drafting pens for retouching. One is still filled with 
Generations pigment black and the others are filled with MIS 
pigment inks. Sizes 0.2 - 0.18 - 0.15 mm.  You can't use them 
for signing on matte papers (coating scrapes off etc), it may 
be possible on gloss papers. Maybe a  much thicker pen like 
0.5 mm can be used for signing on matte papers, never tried 
that and the artists here sign with a B4 pencil on matte 
papers. For retouching it works perfect, ink is keeping better 
in the pens than the drafting inks I used in the past.

Ernst
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           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
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Hi Craig;

I've been doing exactly this for my RC papers, in fact using the 
same pens that Ernst is using. My favorite is the 00 size (.30mm, 
but I don't reccomend using Eboni, it will look much too black, and 
will rub off. Try an LK, perhaps even thinned out a bit with 
distilled water (or base fluid if you have it)to get a grey that 
looks more like pencil.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Snyder" 
<forum@...> wrote:
>
> As much as I like matte, I like the cost-effectiveness of the 
Kirkland Glossy, and with a new 
> R220 on it's way I'd like to set it up with Eboni PK and keep my 
1280 dedicated to matte 
> paper.
> 
> I had an idea of buying a rapidiograph pen and filling it with 
Eboni PK instead of india ink, 
> or whatever you use in it. I can't remember but used to use one in 
art class back in the 
> 70's.
> 
> Has anyone tried this, would it work fine? 
> 
> I'm putting an order in with MIS soon for a 220 cart inkset and I 
will add a bulk bottle of 

> said ink if there is a positive response on this.
> 
> thanks,
> Craig
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...> 
wrote:
>
> Craig Snyder wrote:
> 
> 
> > As much as I like matte, I like the cost-effectiveness of the Kirkland Glossy, and with a 
new 
> > R220 on it's way I'd like to set it up with Eboni PK and keep my 1280 dedicated to 
matte 
> > paper.
> > 
> > I had an idea of buying a rapidiograph pen and filling it with Eboni PK instead of india 
ink, 
> > or whatever you use in it. I can't remember but used to use one in art class back in 
the 
> > 70's.
> > 
> > Has anyone tried this, would it work fine? 
> > 
> > I'm putting an order in with MIS soon for a 220 cart inkset and I will add a bulk bottle 
of 
> > said ink if there is a positive response on this.
> 
> For several years now I'm using the Staedtler Mars Matic 700 
> drafting pens for retouching. One is still filled with 
> Generations pigment black and the others are filled with MIS 
> pigment inks. Sizes 0.2 - 0.18 - 0.15 mm.  You can't use them 
> for signing on matte papers (coating scrapes off etc), it may 
> be possible on gloss papers. Maybe a  much thicker pen like 
> 0.5 mm can be used for signing on matte papers, never tried 
> that and the artists here sign with a B4 pencil on matte 
> papers. For retouching it works perfect, ink is keeping better 
> in the pens than the drafting inks I used in the past.
> 
> Ernst

The drafting people weren't smart enough to add glycol/glyerine to keep the points from 
drying so fast. ;-)

John Nollendorfs