Digital BW, The Print

Is Eboni ink available in UK?   If not what readily available ink would people 
recommend for a 2100 .  Thanks.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "geoffreybillett"
<geoffbillett@...> wrote:
>
> Is Eboni ink available in UK?   If not what readily available ink
would people 
> recommend for a 2100 .  Thanks.

Moderator, this needs to be a FAQ!

The inks are actually made by a company in New York called Image
Specialists. If my database is correct, Eboni is actually Image
Specialists WJ1106 (but I would email Image Specialists to confirm).
MIS is just one US distributor, along with WeInk (aka GetInkExpress).
Distributors get ink from Image Specialists in 1/2 gallon (about 2
liter) and gallon (4l) jugs, or 5 gallon (20l) drums, and load it into
4 ounce (or 125ml bottles, on your side of the pond) or printer carts
and sell it to those of us who can't afford gallon jugs of ink (or
don't want to handle or store them. If you've even the results of a 5
gallon ink spill... But I digress)

Image Specialists has three European distributors: TECNOdigital sas in
Italy, Gemini Colours B.V. in the Netherworld, and A&V Slovakia,
s.r.o. in Slovokia (obviously).

http://image-specialists.com/default.asp

Hope this helps.

Ciao!

Joe

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "koloshor" 
<koloshor@...> wrote:
>
> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "geoffreybillett"
> <geoffbillett@> wrote:
> >
> > Is Eboni ink available in UK?   If not what readily available ink
> would people 
> > recommend for a 2100 .  Thanks.
> 
> Moderator, this needs to be a FAQ!
> 
> The inks are actually made by a company in New York called Image
> Specialists. If my database is correct, Eboni is actually Image
> Specialists WJ1106 (but I would email Image Specialists to confirm).
> MIS is just one US distributor, along with WeInk (aka 
GetInkExpress).

I could not get Walter to confirm nor deny that Eboni was the same as 
anything when I asked last year. Having both Eboni and the WJ1106 
side by side, all I can say is that they are similar, but not the 
same. The Wj1106 seems superior to the Eboni that I have left. The 
Eboni "folds" over into gray much sooner (density reciprocity???) 
than the WJ1106 with swab tests on German Etching. I seem to recall 
the same when printing. The WJ1106 holds density way out to almost 
the real 100% limits of the hardware (or at least doesn't reverse as 
quickly), this is just short of producing puddles of ink. MAybe I 
have some old Eboni, as the do smell the same.

> Distributors get ink from Image Specialists in 1/2 gallon (about 2
> liter) and gallon (4l) jugs, or 5 gallon (20l) drums, and load it 
into
> 4 ounce (or 125ml bottles, on your side of the pond) or printer 
carts
> and sell it to those of us who can't afford gallon jugs of ink (or
> don't want to handle or store them. 

The smallest size I would have been able to get is gallon each color, 
but I never had enough people interested in splitting those gallons 
to move forward. Price last year was around $42 per 500ml (pint), 
plus shipping, and I was going to doal it out at cost or just a 
little over. Had bottles all picked and everything.


> 
> Image Specialists has three European distributors: TECNOdigital sas 
in
> Italy, Gemini Colours B.V. in the Netherworld, and A&V Slovakia,
> s.r.o. in Slovokia (obviously).
> 


Good to know, I'll file this away for use on the diferent forums. You 
guys in the UK really need some good alternative pigment ink sources. 
If any of you are set up for a business, you might make a killing on 
selling ink over there.

I heartily recommend buying from MIS and using the cheapest shipping, 
unless money is no object. 
Ken (customer in the UK).


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "geoffreybillett" 
<geoffbillett@...> wrote:
>
> Is Eboni ink available in UK?   If not what readily available ink 
would people 
> recommend for a 2100 .  Thanks.
>

The website currently lists UltraPro WJ1106 as PK, and WJ1082 for MK. Could
there be a mix-up somewhere?

Best regards,
John Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:34 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni Ink UK

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "koloshor"
<koloshor@...> wrote:
>
> --- In
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "geoffreybillett"
> <geoffbillett@> wrote:
> >
> > Is Eboni ink available in UK?   If not what readily available ink
> would people
> > recommend for a 2100 .  Thanks.
>
> Moderator, this needs to be a FAQ!
>
> The inks are actually made by a company in New York called Image
> Specialists. If my database is correct, Eboni is actually Image
> Specialists WJ1106 (but I would email Image Specialists to confirm).
> MIS is just one US distributor, along with WeInk (aka
GetInkExpress).

I could not get Walter to confirm nor deny that Eboni was the same as
anything when I asked last year. Having both Eboni and the WJ1106
side by side, all I can say is that they are similar, but not the
same. The Wj1106 seems superior to the Eboni that I have left. The
Eboni "folds" over into gray much sooner (density reciprocity???)
than the WJ1106 with swab tests on German Etching. I seem to recall
the same when printing. The WJ1106 holds density way out to almost
the real 100% limits of the hardware (or at least doesn't reverse as
quickly), this is just short of producing puddles of ink. MAybe I
have some old Eboni, as the do smell the same.

> Distributors get ink from Image Specialists in 1/2 gallon (about 2
> liter) and gallon (4l) jugs, or 5 gallon (20l) drums, and load it
into
> 4 ounce (or 125ml bottles, on your side of the pond) or printer
carts
> and sell it to those of us who can't afford gallon jugs of ink (or
> don't want to handle or store them.

The smallest size I would have been able to get is gallon each color,
but I never had enough people interested in splitting those gallons
to move forward. Price last year was around $42 per 500ml (pint),
plus shipping, and I was going to doal it out at cost or just a
little over. Had bottles all picked and everything.


>
> Image Specialists has three European distributors: TECNOdigital sas
in
> Italy, Gemini Colours B.V. in the Netherworld, and A&V Slovakia,
> s.r.o. in Slovokia (obviously).
>


Good to know, I'll file this away for use on the diferent forums. You
guys in the UK really need some good alternative pigment ink sources.
If any of you are set up for a business, you might make a killing on
selling ink over there.





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Thanks for your replies everyone.  
A forum member from UK has offered to sell me some so I will have enough at 
least to get a feel for it.  If bitten it looks as if  Ken's solution is the only solution 
:-(.
I hope it lives up to Clayton's sterling recommendations ;-)

Geoff
ps great website Clayton



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "kenstrain2000" <
kenstrain2000@...> wrote:

>
> I heartily recommend buying from MIS and using the cheapest shipping, 
> unless money is no object. 
> Ken (customer in the UK).
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "geoffreybillett" 
> <geoffbillett@> wrote:
> >
> > Is Eboni ink available in UK?   If not what readily available ink 
> would people 
> > recommend for a 2100 .  Thanks.
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody"
<moodymz3@...> wrote:
>
> The website currently lists UltraPro WJ1106 as PK, and WJ1082 for
MK. Could
> there be a mix-up somewhere?
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody

Yes, you are correct, there was a mix up. WJ1082 looks more like it.