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UT7 or UT-3D?

UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-06 by Richard Smallfield

Hello,
I'm somewhat technically challenged due to illness (ME/CFS) and wondered which inkset would be the easiest to master - the UT7 or 3D - I use a 2100.

I do get nice prints that I've exhibited ( http://www.matakanapictures.com/Richard_SmallField.html ), with UC inks and QTR (which I confess not to have mastered) - but am considering moving to a BW inkset for various reasons. At present I am getting good results only by producing too many proofs, which is a situation I want to move away from by getting a better handle on colour management.

If it is relevant, I've not yet been able to save for a Printfix Pro and have only just made my first icc profile with my scanner, following Paul Roark's directions ... so I have a lot to learn.

Normally I print marginally warm-neutral - QTR Cool 55%/Warm 45%.

thanks,
Richard
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RE: [Digital BW] UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-06 by Paul Roark

Richard,

>... which inkset would be the easiest to master - the UT7 or 3D - 
> I use a 2100.

>... At present I am getting good results only by producing 
> too many proofs, which is a situation I want to move away 
> from by getting a better handle on colour management.

> ... just made my first icc profile with my scanner,...

> Normally I print marginally warm-neutral ...

There are pros and cons of each system.

If you don't use sepia, that (yellow) position of the UT7 inkset is not
used.  At least in theory, I'd prefer to have all positions used to keep the
printer working properly and to better hide microbanding due to imperfect
printers.  The actual incidence of problems from non-use of the sepia is
unclear.  

For most people the ease of use depends on the number of profiles that
exist.  There are currently more curves for the UT7 inkset, but going
forward, the UT-3D is the inkset I'll be using and making profiles for.  It
will ultimately be the easier and better supported inkset.

The use of "Create ICC-RGB" is an integral part of my workflow for the
UT-3D.  Printing with these ICCs is an easier workflow than using curves --
as long as one has Photoshop or PS Elements.  It also takes care of the
monitor to print matching problem.  One can also, however, use Create
ICC-RGB with the UT7 workflow, just using existing curves with the program.

While a spectro is needed to make the most accurate ICCs and complex curves,
a scanner can be used to reasonably linearize a system with an existing
curve.  I've found many papers can be linearized with an existing curve for
another paper.  That is, the tones will print well with an existing curve
for a similar type of paper, and the Create ICC-RGB will take care of the
grayscale ramp.

While I'll be making curves for the 3D inkset, once one knows how to make a
simple grayscale ICC with a scanner, the 3D inkset may be the easiest to use
with no curve.  The fact that it prints well on matte paper (or glossy with
a PK) with Color Controls set to 0 facilitates workflows based on sliders or
very mild curves (like with as few one point per curve) with a simply
linearization ICC.  The UT7, due to the sepia, can't match this; when no
curves are used the sepia makes the inkset less lightfast and less even with
respect to color.  

In short, while the UT-3D is still a bit of a beta product, it has some
capabilities that have barely been explored that could be very easy for
users to deal with.  Going forward, it's the most interesting inkset by far,
and the one that we'll be concentrating on with respect to not only
profiling but also QC efforts aimed at the inputs -- where such problems
often (but not always) come from.  (Then again I'm always most enthused by
my new creations.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-06 by Richard Smallfield

Hi Paul,
thanks for your feedback.

>If you don't use sepia, that (yellow) position of the UT7 inkset is not
>used. At least in theory, I'd prefer to have all positions used to keep the
>printer working properly and to better hide microbanding due to imperfect
>printers. The actual incidence of problems from non-use of the sepia is
>unclear. 

I currently use QTR and UC inks which also means that the yellow position is not used ... no problems so far.

>The fact that it prints well on matte paper (or glossy with
>a PK) with Color Controls set to 0 facilitates workflows based on sliders or
>very mild curves (like with as few one point per curve) with a simply
>linearization ICC.

I was under the impression that you could print on matt or glossy with Eboni-based ink sets. Can you explain please?

Thanks for all the help and support you give to the rest of us - I don't know how you find the time.

Richard

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RE: [Digital BW] UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-06 by Paul Roark

Richard,


>>The fact that it prints well on matte paper (or glossy with
>>a PK) with Color Controls set to 0 facilitates workflows based 
>>on sliders or very mild curves (like with as few one point per 
>>curve) with a simple linearization ICC.

>I was under the impression that you could print on matt or glossy 
>with Eboni-based ink sets. Can you explain please?

With the right curves it prints on glossy with Eboni installed.  I will
probably never install PK.  However, for those printing from non-Photoshop
applications or for those who never print on matte paper, the PK and simple
workflows make sense.

> ... I don't know how you find the time.

That is a problem.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-06 by Michael Kitei

In case this hasn't been asked. Will the UT3d material be available for 
the 1280?

Mike
On Jun 6, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Richard,
>
>  >>The fact that it prints well on matte paper (or glossy with
>  >>a PK) with Color Controls set to 0 facilitates workflows based
>  >>on sliders or very mild curves (like with as few one point per
>  >>curve) with a simple linearization ICC.
>
>  >I was under the impression that you could print on matt or glossy
>  >with Eboni-based ink sets. Can you explain please?
>
>  With the right curves it prints on glossy with Eboni installed. I will
>  probably never install PK. However, for those printing from 
> non-Photoshop
>  applications or for those who never print on matte paper, the PK and 
> simple
>  workflows make sense.
>
>  > ... I don't know how you find the time.
>
>  That is a problem.
>
>  Paul
>  www.PaulRoark.com
>
>  
>   

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RE: [Digital BW] UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-07 by Paul Roark

> Will the UT3d material be available for the 1280?

It should work fine on the 1280.  I don't have one, however, so you'll be on
your own as far as profiles -- at least for a while.

I'm hoping Epson releases a new hextone to replace the 1280 that is cheaper
than the 2400.  The old 2200 is nice, but they are getting hard to find.  We
definitely need a good 13 inch hextone in the mix.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-07 by edwweaver

I also have a 1280 that I'd like to try the UT-3D inks in. Will I be 
able to create the profiles with Bowhaus software?

Thanks,

Ed 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> > Will the UT3d material be available for the 1280?
> 
> It should work fine on the 1280.  I don't have one, however, so 
you'll be on
> your own as far as profiles -- at least for a while.
> 
> I'm hoping Epson releases a new hextone to replace the 1280 that 
is cheaper
> than the 2400.  The old 2200 is nice, but they are getting hard to 
find.  We
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> definitely need a good 13 inch hextone in the mix.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

RE: [Digital BW] UT7 or UT-3D?

2006-06-07 by Paul Roark

>I also have a 1280 that I'd like to try the UT-3D inks in. 
>Will I be able to create the profiles with Bowhaus software?

Yes, the Bowhaus rip works well.  In fact, for the 2400, where they did not
have a control on the yellow position, they've made a version that does have
such controls.  This allows the 2400 with UT-3D to be controlled with the
inks in their standard positions.

I should try a 1280 to see if the 220 profiles are close.  I'll talk to MIS
about support for it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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