Digital BW, The Print

Hello,

I just purchased an r1800 to replace my old 1270 with. I had 
originally planned on getting the 2400 to replace my 1270 but just 
couldn't justify the extra money to do it.

I want to convert my 1270 to BW only and I am not sure what is the 
best route to go as far as BW inks are concerned. Am I better off 
going with the MIS recommended FS/FSN or with the UT2 and using the 
1280 drivers? I am interested in hearing from 1270 users who have went 
with either of these two options and what your thoughts are on them.

Thanks,
Chadd

Sorry to ask again but does anyone have input on this that may be 
helpfull?

Thanks,
Chadd

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chadd_t76" 
<chadd_t@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> I just purchased an r1800 to replace my old 1270 with. I had 
> originally planned on getting the 2400 to replace my 1270 but just 
> couldn't justify the extra money to do it.
> 
> I want to convert my 1270 to BW only and I am not sure what is the 
> best route to go as far as BW inks are concerned. Am I better off 
> going with the MIS recommended FS/FSN or with the UT2 and using 
the 
> 1280 drivers? I am interested in hearing from 1270 users who have 
went 
> with either of these two options and what your thoughts are on 
them.

> 
> Thanks,
> Chadd
>

Chadd,

> I want to convert my 1270 to BW only and I am not sure what is the 
> best route to go as far as BW inks are concerned. Am I better off 
> going with the MIS recommended FS/FSN or with the UT2 and 
> using the 1280 drivers? 

I set up both approaches, and they both worked fine.

I think one issue is what tones you want to print.  If you want more
flexibility, the UT2 has the widest range of tones.  If you don't really
care about sepia, the un-used yellow nozzle could be a problem.  Macs seem
to have problems getting the 1280 driver to run a 1270.  So, if you use a
Mac, avoid this approach. 

The FS/FSN might be a bit smoother in the highlights due to more light inks,
but the gap between the dark and light gray inks is wider.  So, the
transitions there may not be as good.  I think both inksets should make fine
prints, however.

The UT-R2 inks should also run well on the 1270.  So, take a look at that
information file at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/R220_R2_Readme.pdf  You'd
have to fill you own carts, but that is the cheapest way to proceed anyway.
There are only 2 midtone densities.  That is, for example, the neutral
midtone comes in dark (C & M) and light (LC, LM, and Y).  So, you can buy
just 2 bottles of midtone inks, a black ink (Eboni for matte), and a couple
empty carts and you're set to make a whole lot of prints cheaply and easily.
(The R2-dark neutral is the same density as the FSN-C, and the R2-dark warm
is the same as the UT2 M, among others.  These inks are much more generic
and standardized than many realize.)

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I don't have the answer, but I was really interested in hearing about what
works.

I'm just on my first box of paper and just ran the stock cartridge dry
yesterday. I have the quadtone black that I could use for BO, but was
planning on getting some Ebony for BO. The UT2 looked like the best
alternative for me, but I don't know if I really need the set.

gar

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of chadd_t76
  Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:59 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What BW inks to use for 1270?


  Sorry to ask again but does anyone have input on this that may be
  helpfull?

  Thanks,
  Chadd

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chadd_t76"
  <chadd_t@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hello,
  >
  > I just purchased an r1800 to replace my old 1270 with. I had
  > originally planned on getting the 2400 to replace my 1270 but just
  > couldn't justify the extra money to do it.
  >
  > I want to convert my 1270 to BW only and I am not sure what is the
  > best route to go as far as BW inks are concerned. Am I better off
  > going with the MIS recommended FS/FSN or with the UT2 and using
  the
  > 1280 drivers? I am interested in hearing from 1270 users who have
  went
  > with either of these two options and what your thoughts are on
  them.
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Chadd
  >



  


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I was using the 1270 for perfect B/W (R800 for colour) until I
couldn't fix the banding two months ago and I moved to a 4800.. (I
spent more than a week, new carts, .. and couldn't fix the banding.. I
used to be able to fix banding in a day or two - cleaning
cycles+wait). So I gave up on it.. I had a B/W job to deliver so I
sold the R800 and junk the 1270 for the 4800..

The UT2 ink with Paul's curve with 1280 driver works very well.
Although the carts are quite expensive and if you don't print often
(more than once a week), you WILL get clogs. And the 1270 clogs more
than the 1280 and much more than the newer printers. 

In the end if I hadn't got the R800 just before the 2400's released, I
would definitely get the 2400 at that time. The time wasted (and UT2
ink too) is easily worth the extra investment.. (Not to mention the
old 1270 is slow and two printers consume lots of real estate on my desk)

- M

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chadd_t76"
<chadd_t@...> wrote:

>
> Sorry to ask again but does anyone have input on this that may be 
> helpfull?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chadd
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chadd_t76" 
> <chadd_t@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I just purchased an r1800 to replace my old 1270 with. I had 
> > originally planned on getting the 2400 to replace my 1270 but just 
> > couldn't justify the extra money to do it.
> > 
> > I want to convert my 1270 to BW only and I am not sure what is the 
> > best route to go as far as BW inks are concerned. Am I better off 
> > going with the MIS recommended FS/FSN or with the UT2 and using 
> the 
> > 1280 drivers? I am interested in hearing from 1270 users who have 
> went 
> > with either of these two options and what your thoughts are on 
> them.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Chadd
> >
>

I don't have a 1270, but a 1280. I have been very happy with the UT2 inkset 
on a variety of matt paper using Epson driver, Black Only, and lately 
Quadtone RIP. You can get beautiful stuff out. I do not believe the 1270 
would be much different than the 1280, but your mileage may vary.

Since I have to do color some times, I just picked up a 2200 for $275. A 
lot of people are upgrading to the 2400/4800 so there are some good 
bargains there.

At 05:58 PM 7/18/2006, you wrote:

>Sorry to ask again but does anyone have input on this that may be
>helpfull?
>
>Thanks,
>Chadd
>
>--- In 
><mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
>"chadd_t76"
><chadd_t@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just purchased an r1800 to replace my old 1270 with. I had
> > originally planned on getting the 2400 to replace my 1270 but just
> > couldn't justify the extra money to do it.
> >
> > I want to convert my 1270 to BW only and I am not sure what is the
> > best route to go as far as BW inks are concerned. Am I better off
> > going with the MIS recommended FS/FSN or with the UT2 and using
>the
> > 1280 drivers? I am interested in hearing from 1270 users who have
>went
> > with either of these two options and what your thoughts are on
>them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chadd

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