Digital BW, The Print

I have an Epson 2100 dedicated to B&W. I have been trying out Lyson 
monochrome ink CIS with their software (which is essentially the 
Bowhaus IJC/OPM) using a densitometer to linearise. I'm not that happy 
with the results. I would like to achieve neutral, cool and sepia 
results on both matte(Han Photo Rag) and glossy, and would like to try 
the UT inks from MIS as cartridges initially, using Quadtone RIP and 
ICCs. I'm also interested in trying the newer Fibre Base Gloss 
(Permajet UK). Can anyone please help me with the pros and cons of
UT3-D and UT7 inks in this quest? Many thanks.

I would follow Paul's recommendation here:

http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf

Except, I would replace the LK ink with PK. You will need to fill 
this ink position yourself. An even better option is to fill this 
position with Epson OEM K3 PK ink, sucked out of a 4800 cart. It will 
give you much better Dmax on glossy (RC) papers.

In summary, your inks will be: (1) Eboni for matte, (2) PK for 
glossy, (3) C of UT-3D, (4) LC of UT-3D, (5) LC of UT-3D, (6) LM of 
UT-3D, and (7) Y of UT-2 for the sepia toner. Using QTR and a 
densitometer, you should be able to print on all paper types with 
tones ranging from cold to sepia.

Good luck.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "monoengland" 
<wilkinson27@...> wrote:
>
> I have an Epson 2100 dedicated to B&W. I have been trying out Lyson 
> monochrome ink CIS with their software (which is essentially the 
> Bowhaus IJC/OPM) using a densitometer to linearise. I'm not that 
happy 
> with the results. I would like to achieve neutral, cool and sepia 
> results on both matte(Han Photo Rag) and glossy, and would like to 
try 
> the UT inks from MIS as cartridges initially, using Quadtone RIP 
and 

> ICCs. I'm also interested in trying the newer Fibre Base Gloss 
> (Permajet UK). Can anyone please help me with the pros and cons of
> UT3-D and UT7 inks in this quest? Many thanks.
>

Oops, (5) should read M of UT-3D

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" 
<shileshjani@...> wrote:
>
> I would follow Paul's recommendation here:
> 
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf
> 
> Except, I would replace the LK ink with PK. You will need to fill 
> this ink position yourself. An even better option is to fill this 
> position with Epson OEM K3 PK ink, sucked out of a 4800 cart. It 
will 
> give you much better Dmax on glossy (RC) papers.
> 
> In summary, your inks will be: (1) Eboni for matte, (2) PK for 
> glossy, (3) C of UT-3D, (4) LC of UT-3D, (5) LC of UT-3D, (6) LM of 
> UT-3D, and (7) Y of UT-2 for the sepia toner. Using QTR and a 
> densitometer, you should be able to print on all paper types with 
> tones ranging from cold to sepia.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "monoengland" 
> <wilkinson27@> wrote:
> >
> > I have an Epson 2100 dedicated to B&W. I have been trying out 
Lyson 
> > monochrome ink CIS with their software (which is essentially the 
> > Bowhaus IJC/OPM) using a densitometer to linearise. I'm not that 
> happy 
> > with the results. I would like to achieve neutral, cool and sepia 
> > results on both matte(Han Photo Rag) and glossy, and would like 
to 

> try 
> > the UT inks from MIS as cartridges initially, using Quadtone RIP 
> and 
> > ICCs. I'm also interested in trying the newer Fibre Base Gloss 
> > (Permajet UK). Can anyone please help me with the pros and cons of
> > UT3-D and UT7 inks in this quest? Many thanks.
> >
>

>I have an Epson 2100 dedicated to B&W...
>I would like to achieve neutral, cool and sepia 
>results on both matte(Han Photo Rag) and glossy...

The UT7 can do that.  The UT-3D can also do it with one modification.  In
their standard configurations for the Epson driver the UT7 has sepia (Y
position), but the UT-3D uses that position for a necessary ink to control
the Lab a* axis.  So, in the standard Epson driver configuration the 3D
inkset gives up sepia for more control. (I do not recommend the sepia toner
in the Y position.  It might be that you could control the inkset, but it
would have more than the minimum color pigments in it.  So, it would not be
as lightfast -- which is another reason the 3D inkset does not contain the
sepia toner.  I'm going to work on an R800 red - carbon blended ink for that
spot when time permits in an effort to make a more lightfast, acceptable
sepia.)

What can be done with the UT-3D and the rip like QTR, however, is to use the
LK spot for the sepia toner. (UT7 and UT2 sepia are the same and would work
fine.) 

The UT-3D M ink does double duty as a PKN and cool toner.  So, with the
carbon C position ink the glossy 100% black spot for glossy papers is well
covered in the standard arrangement.  (I've made at least one curve for the
PermaJet Fibre Based Gloss, UT-3D and 2200 -- it works well.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

My UT7 inks are running low and I need to order more ink soon. I'm
wondering whether I should order more UT7 inks or switch to UT-3D.

I occassionally make glossy prints using GLOP in the yellow position. I
like that I can use all the regular curves and ICC profiles, except the
sepia ones, with this setup. I also like that I can print both matte and
glossy prints without switching inks.

Is there any possibility of doing this with the UT-3D inkset, or would I
have to use the LK position and QTR to do this?

Although the UT7 inks are very good on glossy papers already, I still find
that GLOP gives a big improvement in quality on many pictures - especially
those with very bright highlights where the gloss differential is
significantly reduced.

I use the Epson driver a lot because I can print twice as fast with the
same quality as QTR. On the other hand, I use QTR when I need greater
control.

I've already made many curves and ICC profiles for the UT7 inkset, so I'm
a little bit reluctant to switch now that I have good workflows for most
of the papers I use.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

Daniel,

>My UT7 inks are running low and I need to order more ink soon. 
> I'm wondering whether I should order more UT7 inks or switch to UT-3D.

>I occassionally make glossy prints using GLOP in the yellow position. 
>I like that I can use all the regular curves and ICC profiles, 
>except the sepia ones, with this setup. I also like that 
>I can print both matte and glossy prints without switching inks.

>Is there any possibility of doing this with the UT-3D inkset, 
>or would I have to use the LK position and QTR to do this?

UT-3D requires its Y-position, Lab a* toner.  So, glop in that position
would not work with it.  The LK position, however, with QTR is a
possibility.

>Although the UT7 inks are very good on glossy papers already, 
>I still find that GLOP gives a big improvement in quality on
>many pictures - especially those with very bright highlights 
>where the gloss differential is significantly reduced.

The UT7 inkset still has its place.  UT-3D is not seen by me as a
replacement for all the others.  It is simply a way to get control of the
Lab a* axis and allow more accurate profiling.   

Obviously, I tried to have the UT7 Lab a* at a place that would look good on
as many of the popular papers as possible.  In fact, one thing I'm running
into is that as the 2200s die, people are asking for a UT7 version for the
2400.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com