Digital BW, The Print

I saw the Walker Evans show this week and I was flabbergasted! The quality of the prints is 
very high, both conventional & inkjet are wonderful, and I found two inkjet prints that 
showed micro-banding and one that had posterization in the shadow area. IMHO these prints 
were fatally flawed and should not have been on exhibit, they detracted from the other high 
quality prints on display.
With all the press I've seen about this exhibit, I am suprised that no one has mentioned these 
prints. Are people seeing the work?
I will leave it to others to argue about re-interpreting Evans work, I enjoyed the show. and if 
Digital printing is to be accepted then the craftmanship must be flawless.

Julian Kaiser
NYC

That gets me thinking. Is it content or whether a photo has flaws?  What are we really looking for..?
   
  T

jlk4410 <Jlkmmw@...> wrote:
          I saw the Walker Evans show this week and I was flabbergasted! The quality of the prints is 
very high, both conventional & inkjet are wonderful, and I found two inkjet prints that 
showed micro-banding and one that had posterization in the shadow area. IMHO these prints 
were fatally flawed and should not have been on exhibit, they detracted from the other high 
quality prints on display.
With all the press I've seen about this exhibit, I am suprised that no one has mentioned these 
prints. Are people seeing the work?
I will leave it to others to argue about re-interpreting Evans work, I enjoyed the show. and if 
Digital printing is to be accepted then the craftmanship must be flawless.

Julian Kaiser
NYC



         

 		
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T

A flawed masters print is great, but a flawless one is better (if one 
is available.)

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, T 
<griller1_99@...> wrote:
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> That gets me thinking. Is it content or whether a photo has flaws?  
What are we really looking for..?
>    
>   T
> 
> jlk4410 <Jlkmmw@...> wrote:
>           I saw the Walker Evans show this week and I was 
flabbergasted! The quality of the prints is 
> very high, both conventional & inkjet are wonderful, and I found 
two inkjet prints that 
> showed micro-banding and one that had posterization in the shadow 
area. IMHO these prints 
> were fatally flawed and should not have been on exhibit, they 
detracted from the other high 
> quality prints on display.
> With all the press I've seen about this exhibit, I am suprised that 
no one has mentioned these 
> prints. Are people seeing the work?
> I will leave it to others to argue about re-interpreting Evans 
work, I enjoyed the show. and if 
> Digital printing is to be accepted then the craftmanship must be 
flawless.

> 
> Julian Kaiser
> NYC
> 
> 
> 
>          
> 
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Hello T,

>...and I found two inkjet prints that showed micro-banding and one 
>that had posterization in the shadow area. IMHO these prints 
>were fatally flawed and should not have been on exhibit, they 
>detracted from the other high quality prints on display.

>That gets me thinking. Is it content or whether a photo has flaws?  
>What are we really looking for..?

This is a good point but I also can see Julian's point.  Like it or
not, inkjet prints are still fighting for acceptance in the minds of
many.  This is a major exhibition in a major venue and will be viewed
by many people (and possibly will be reviewed by art critics).  It
also provides an opportunity to compare silver and ink side by side. 
If there ever was an occasion where it is imperative that all the
prints really should be of the highest quality, this would surely
qualify (of course, for many photographers, highest quality only is
always the rule, no matter what the venue).

It's probably safe to say the flaws will go unnnoticed by most
viewers.   But it would be a shame if someone who is biased against
ink prints were to examine them carefully and find there the excuse to
support his bias.  And, even worse, if that person were a reviewer who
would publish his/her opinion.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Clayton,
   
  Thanks for the repsonse. I do agree with you on the points you have made.
   
  T
Clayton Jones <cj@...> wrote:
          Hello T,

>...and I found two inkjet prints that showed micro-banding and one 
>that had posterization in the shadow area. IMHO these prints 
>were fatally flawed and should not have been on exhibit, they 
>detracted from the other high quality prints on display.

>That gets me thinking. Is it content or whether a photo has flaws? 
>What are we really looking for..?

This is a good point but I also can see Julian's point. Like it or
not, inkjet prints are still fighting for acceptance in the minds of
many. This is a major exhibition in a major venue and will be viewed
by many people (and possibly will be reviewed by art critics). It
also provides an opportunity to compare silver and ink side by side. 
If there ever was an occasion where it is imperative that all the
prints really should be of the highest quality, this would surely
qualify (of course, for many photographers, highest quality only is
always the rule, no matter what the venue).

It's probably safe to say the flaws will go unnnoticed by most
viewers. But it would be a shame if someone who is biased against
ink prints were to examine them carefully and find there the excuse to
support his bias. And, even worse, if that person were a reviewer who
would publish his/her opinion.

Regards,
Clayton

Info on black and white digital printing at 
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm



         

 		
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Very good point Clayton.

I'd be curious as to who, how and what the digital prints were printed on.
Forgive my ignorance but where was the show?  In NYC?  Didn't Mr. Evans die
in 1975?

Thanks,

Tom

On 9/24/06, Clayton Jones <cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello T,
>
> >...and I found two inkjet prints that showed micro-banding and one
> >that had posterization in the shadow area. IMHO these prints
> >were fatally flawed and should not have been on exhibit, they
> >detracted from the other high quality prints on display.
>
> >That gets me thinking. Is it content or whether a photo has flaws?
> >What are we really looking for..?
>
> This is a good point but I also can see Julian's point.  Like it or
> not, inkjet prints are still fighting for acceptance in the minds of
> many.  This is a major exhibition in a major venue and will be viewed
> by many people (and possibly will be reviewed by art critics).  It
> also provides an opportunity to compare silver and ink side by side.
> If there ever was an occasion where it is imperative that all the
> prints really should be of the highest quality, this would surely
> qualify (of course, for many photographers, highest quality only is
> always the rule, no matter what the venue).
>
> It's probably safe to say the flaws will go unnnoticed by most
> viewers.   But it would be a shame if someone who is biased against
> ink prints were to examine them carefully and find there the excuse to
> support his bias.  And, even worse, if that person were a reviewer who
> would publish his/her opinion.
>
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>


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Hello Tom,

>Forgive my ignorance but where was the show?  In NYC? 

Yes, organized by the Yale University School of Art
On view at The UBS Art Gallery August 24 – November 17, 2006 

http://www.ubs.com/1/e/about/sponsor/culture/ubs_art_gallery/walker_evans.html

> I'd be curious as to who, how and what the digital prints were printed on.
> Forgive my ignorance but where was the show?  In NYC?  


UBS.  1285 Sixth Ave.  Through 17th November.