Digital BW, The Print

> 
> Hi,
>  I would like to correspond with anyone using these inks to print
> selenium-toned prints. There are a number of ways to simulate
> selenium toning apparently and I would like to discuss the methods
> you use to achieve this. Also which papers you might be using etc.
> Thank you.
> 
> Tim
> 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] re: MIS archival color inks


  Hi Tim,

  Best thing would be to haul out a darkroom selenium toned print and
  then, using a color balance curve adjustment (on its own layer) fiddle
  with the blue, magenta, and red sliders until you get a tone that
  matches it. If your printer, inks and paper are profiled, you should get
  a nearly dead on neutral print with the sliders set to 0. By tweaking
  the above colors, you should be able to match that selenium color
  exactly. It won't take much of a tweak, probably no more than 4 or 5
  points of any color, and maybe only 2 or 3.

  You could also try the number 4 purple duotone in the adobe canned
  duotones. This is supposedly the selenium duotone, but how it works will
  depend on your printer, inks, and paper profile.

  jerry

  In my case, with an 1160 and MIS inks, Photo Matte paper, I use 3
  magenta and 1 blue, and it comes quite close to selenium. Of course
  there are many shades of selenium, depending on how strong your toner
  was and how long you left the print in the toner!  And then there's metamerism......





  tyork1946 wrote:
  > 
  > Hi,
  >  I would like to correspond with anyone using these inks to print
  > selenium-toned prints. There are a number of ways to simulate
  > selenium toning apparently and I would like to discuss the methods
  > you use to achieve this. Also which papers you might be using etc.
  > Thank you.
  > 
  > Tim
  > 
  > 
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> 
> There is also a nice setting for selenium toned duotones at  http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm  Scroll to the bottom.
> 
> Diane
> ----------
> Diane B. Fields
> picnic@...
> photo site    http://www.pbase.com/picnic
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jerry Olson
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:32 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] re: MIS archival color inks
> 
>   Hi Tim,
> 
>   Best thing would be to haul out a darkroom selenium toned print and
>   then, using a color balance curve adjustment (on its own layer) fiddle
>   with the blue, magenta, and red sliders until you get a tone that
>   matches it. If your printer, inks and paper are profiled, you should get
>   a nearly dead on neutral print with the sliders set to 0. By tweaking
>   the above colors, you should be able to match that selenium color
>   exactly. It won't take much of a tweak, probably no more than 4 or 5
>   points of any color, and maybe only 2 or 3.
> 
>   You could also try the number 4 purple duotone in the adobe canned
>   duotones. This is supposedly the selenium duotone, but how it works will
>   depend on your printer, inks, and paper profile.
> 
>   jerry
> 
>   In my case, with an 1160 and MIS inks, Photo Matte paper, I use 3
>   magenta and 1 blue, and it comes quite close to selenium. Of course
>   there are many shades of selenium, depending on how strong your toner
>   was and how long you left the print in the toner!  And then there's metamerism......
> 
>   tyork1946 wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi,
>   >  I would like to correspond with anyone using these inks to print
>   > selenium-toned prints. There are a number of ways to simulate
>   > selenium toning apparently and I would like to discuss the methods
>   > you use to achieve this. Also which papers you might be using etc.
>   > Thank you.
>   >
>   > Tim
>   >
>   >
>   > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] re: MIS archival color inks


  Diane, I went to this site, but what he is calling a selenium tone, is
  actualy a sepia tone. You cannot get a selenium tone with yellow ink. It
  is a Purple/blue color that should be used with the black, not yellow.

  Jerry




  Diane Fields wrote:
  > 
  > There is also a nice setting for selenium toned duotones at  http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm  Scroll to the bottom.
  > 
  > Diane
  > ----------
  > Diane B. Fields
  > picnic@...
  > photo site    http://www.pbase.com/picnic
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Jerry Olson
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:32 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] re: MIS archival color inks
  > 
  >   Hi Tim,
  > 
  >   Best thing would be to haul out a darkroom selenium toned print and
  >   then, using a color balance curve adjustment (on its own layer) fiddle
  >   with the blue, magenta, and red sliders until you get a tone that
  >   matches it. If your printer, inks and paper are profiled, you should get
  >   a nearly dead on neutral print with the sliders set to 0. By tweaking
  >   the above colors, you should be able to match that selenium color
  >   exactly. It won't take much of a tweak, probably no more than 4 or 5
  >   points of any color, and maybe only 2 or 3.
  > 
  >   You could also try the number 4 purple duotone in the adobe canned
  >   duotones. This is supposedly the selenium duotone, but how it works will
  >   depend on your printer, inks, and paper profile.
  > 
  >   jerry
  > 
  >   In my case, with an 1160 and MIS inks, Photo Matte paper, I use 3
  >   magenta and 1 blue, and it comes quite close to selenium. Of course
  >   there are many shades of selenium, depending on how strong your toner
  >   was and how long you left the print in the toner!  And then there's metamerism......
  > 
  >   tyork1946 wrote:
  >   >
  >   > Hi,
  >   >  I would like to correspond with anyone using these inks to print
  >   > selenium-toned prints. There are a number of ways to simulate
  >   > selenium toning apparently and I would like to discuss the methods
  >   > you use to achieve this. Also which papers you might be using etc.
  >   > Thank you.
  >   >
  >   > Tim
  >   >
  >   >
  >   > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
  >   >
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  >   >
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> 
> Jerry, have you tried printing with it?  It is def. 'purple' toned.  I have printed a number using a variation of this and they aren't sepia.  Remember that that brown he is using is very 'red' and the pale grey is very blue (purple).
> 
> Diane

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] re: MIS archival color inks


  Must be the inks and paper, Dianne. Yellow and black won't make purple!
  But different inks and profiles and papers will alter the color
  drastically. On my monitor, those prints looked very sepia indeed.


  Jerry

  Diane Fields wrote:
  > 
  > Jerry, have you tried printing with it?  It is def. 'purple' toned.  I have printed a number using a variation of this and they aren't sepia.  Remember that that brown he is using is very 'red' and the pale grey is very blue (purple).
  > 
  > Diane

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