Digital BW, The Print

I'm waiting for the shipment of my new printer and I'm considering 
making my Epson 2200 a full time black & white printer using the 
Piezography inks.

I was hoping to get some feedback as to the opinions of this 
combination and any suggestions for alternatives, papers, or anything 
else I should know about the set up.

Is the K7 set the way to go?
Is there another alternative by Piezography or another manufacturer?
Are users printing on matte rag or other papers more often?
Any other thoughts?

Personally I like the K6/K7 PiezoTone (both render the same quality by
the way) approach so much that I'm setting up a large printer for each
of their 3 inksets - neutral, carbon sepia (really slighlty warmer
than warm-neutral, and the new split toned set which is a combination
of the two. Jon mentioned on his list that the split tone set is now
outselling the neutral set. Possibly because its new, possibly because
it is unique, I don't know. In the split tone set the result is a very
subtle blending that is going on and not what one would traditionally
consider "splitting" hues since it doesn't exhibit strong hue
seperations between highlight and shadow zones. You might want to
order samples of each of these before making a final decision. The
advantages are ultra-smooth tonal transitions, good totally consistent
 metamerism free print color, 0 clogging, good dmax, and carbon
composition.

The disadvantage is they don't have an inkset that is appropriate for
the newer glossy fiber papers. That is not available yet and I don't
know if it will be or not.

John





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan"
<rdesjardin@...> wrote:

>
> I'm waiting for the shipment of my new printer and I'm considering 
> making my Epson 2200 a full time black & white printer using the 
> Piezography inks.
> 
> I was hoping to get some feedback as to the opinions of this 
> combination and any suggestions for alternatives, papers, or anything 
> else I should know about the set up.
> 
> Is the K7 set the way to go?
> Is there another alternative by Piezography or another manufacturer?
> Are users printing on matte rag or other papers more often?
> Any other thoughts?
>

>... I'm setting up a large printer for each
> of their 3 inksets - neutral, carbon sepia ...
> and the new split toned set ...
> the split tone set is now outselling the neutral set.
> ...
> The disadvantage is they don't have an inkset that is 
> appropriate for the newer glossy fiber papers. 

I'm not selling anything, but just for the sake of comparison, my 2200 with
the open source approach outlined at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf
can do carbon to neutral, split tones, and glossy for a fraction of the cost
all without changing any inks.  I doubt very much that anyone can see a
quality difference when one goes from 5 to 6 or 7 gray inks.  In fact, the
5K approach uses all 7 ink positions.  I've studied the highlights of images
made with either just the LLK or the LLK + LLLK, and it is there, but very
slight.  I may well drop the LLLK and go to 4 carbon inks in order to add
yellow or red for better sepia and paper tone control.

So, if one wants it all and is not in a position to afford lots of printers,
there is a very cost effective alternative that is clog free and extremely
flexible.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I was unaware of the new split tone set and when I read about it (just 
before your post coincidentally), I understood that you could use the same 
K7 curves in QTR that are used for K7?  Can anyone tell me if I'm 
understanding correctly?

I also read that you do not have to purge before replacing the K7 carts with 
the Epson color carts--is this true?  If so, I may try these in my 2200 
until my 3800 is delivered.  There are, of course, no K7 sets nor QTR curves 
for the 3800 yet, so to satisfy my own interest, I may just, after all, try 
them in the 2200 since I already own a license for and use QTR.

Diane
-----------
Diane B. Fields
picnic@...
photo site  http://www.pbase.com/picnic

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 2200 Piezography K7


Personally I like the K6/K7 PiezoTone (both render the same quality by
the way) approach so much that I'm setting up a large printer for each
of their 3 inksets - neutral, carbon sepia (really slighlty warmer
than warm-neutral, and the new split toned set which is a combination
of the two. Jon mentioned on his list that the split tone set is now
outselling the neutral set. Possibly because its new, possibly because
it is unique, I don't know. In the split tone set the result is a very
subtle blending that is going on and not what one would traditionally
consider "splitting" hues since it doesn't exhibit strong hue
seperations between highlight and shadow zones. You might want to
order samples of each of these before making a final decision. The
advantages are ultra-smooth tonal transitions, good totally consistent
 metamerism free print color, 0 clogging, good dmax, and carbon
composition.

The disadvantage is they don't have an inkset that is appropriate for
the newer glossy fiber papers. That is not available yet and I don't
know if it will be or not.

John





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan"
<rdesjardin@...> wrote:
>
> I'm waiting for the shipment of my new printer and I'm considering
> making my Epson 2200 a full time black & white printer using the
> Piezography inks.
>
> I was hoping to get some feedback as to the opinions of this
> combination and any suggestions for alternatives, papers, or anything
> else I should know about the set up.
>
> Is the K7 set the way to go?
> Is there another alternative by Piezography or another manufacturer?
> Are users printing on matte rag or other papers more often?
> Any other thoughts?
>





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Yes, that is one of the unique thing about this inkset. You can switch
from the neutral, carbon sepia, and split tone set without having to
clean out the system. You use the exact same workflow and QTR curves
because each dilution is the same regardless of hue set. So you only
need one set of curves for all the hue sets. 

As for purging, the same goes for putting them in right behind
Ultrachrome, no flushing fluid needed. You just do a couple of head
cleanings or print out a grey scale flush image that they have available.

The only reason that I am using several large printers is so I can do
multiple hue toned jobs simultaneously for different clients. Also if
one of my machines breaks down all I have to do is move the inks over
to another and the curves are already to go. This is not a bad thing
to do with the 6 channel machines I have around here. It is giving
them a whole new purpose in life.


John




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Fields"
<picnic@...> wrote:
>
> I was unaware of the new split tone set and when I read about it (just 
> before your post coincidentally), I understood that you could use
the same 
> K7 curves in QTR that are used for K7?  Can anyone tell me if I'm 
> understanding correctly?
> 
> I also read that you do not have to purge before replacing the K7
carts with 
> the Epson color carts--is this true?  If so, I may try these in my 2200 
> until my 3800 is delivered.