Digital BW, The Print

I've been successfully using the Epson driver on a PC to produce nice BW prints with the R220 
and UTR2 inks. Thank you, forum! 
Have just switched to an Intel Macintosh and am not able to access the Epson driver to 
control printing after downloading the appropriate Intel Mac driver from the Epson website.  
Advice on how to control printing on the new Mac would be appreciated.
Thank you,
-Harlan

On Dec 8, 2006, at 8:56 PM, hhchapman4104 wrote:

> I've been successfully using the Epson driver on a PC to produce  
> nice BW prints with the R220
> and UTR2 inks. Thank you, forum!

Congratulations, Harlan.


> Have just switched to an Intel Macintosh and am not able to access  
> the Epson driver to
> control printing after downloading the appropriate Intel Mac driver  
> from the Epson website.
> Advice on how to control printing on the new Mac would be appreciated.
> Thank you,
> -Harlan

I haven't upgraded to an Intel Mac yet, Harlan (because I've been  
waiting for a MacBook Pro I think might do as a desktop replacement  
for me), so I haven't any advice about how to do it. But since you've  
just switched, I thought you might not yet know about some of the  
specifically-Mac online resources which might help.

For example, there's a nice small MacEpsonList, also at YahooGroups,  
and your 220 question should make a good introduction to it. In  
particular, I'll look forward to seeing Denver Dan's response to it.

The MacInTouch.com web site is a more general resource which includes  
topical Reader Reports, in this case "Printing" with an Epson subset.  
I skim at least the first screenful of MacInTouch daily (and use its  
Amazon link to partially pay for its free service).

If MacInTouch is our daily "newspaper", TidBITS is our weekly  
magazine, but it's more than that, and you can get it free off of  
tidbits.com or have it e-mailed to you free each Tuesday morning. But  
it's not so oriented to specific problems. So until the Mac users  
with a 220 on this list pipe up, I'd ask on the MacEpsonList and on  
MacInTouch.com's reader report on printing with Epsons.

Good luck; in a few months, I hope to be asking you MacIntel questions.
--
Sam

Hello Sam,
Thank you very much for the references to the Mac Epson and MacInTouch. I was not 
aware of them. I look forward to learning from them.
I was able to figure out the print driver. All the utility is there, I think, the interface is just 
vastly different and perhaps a little less convenient, but not bad. The settings for paper, 
gamma, BO vs color, etc. are accessed through the regular "print" selection in the drop 
down menu and then selecting the "copies and pages" option for a variety of settings to 
use for printing that cover the same things one encounters in the Epson driver on the PC. 

We had been using a G5 desktop as our main computer. As our house is very small we 
were also considering changing to a macbook pro in '07 given its putative performance for 
its size. 5 weeks ago our G5 went in for service, fortunately covered under Apple Care. In 
the mean time we had to use an old PC laptop to get by, thus the printing (barely) using 
the PC platform. Apple was unable to fix our G5 and replaced it with a MacPro desktop. A 
nice ending, but it took them 5 weeks to get to that point, which was frustrating. So we 
are now on the Intel Mac platform ahead of schedule and on a desktop, not a laptop as 
planned. I can't comment on the performance of Aperture and Photoshop CS2 on the 
MacBook Pro. I can say that I'm very happy with how they have run on the new Mac Pro 
desktop for the last 24 hours...
-Harlan
 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sam McCandless <samcc@...> 
wrote:

>
> On Dec 8, 2006, at 8:56 PM, hhchapman4104 wrote:
> 
> > I've been successfully using the Epson driver on a PC to produce  
> > nice BW prints with the R220
> > and UTR2 inks. Thank you, forum!
> 
> Congratulations, Harlan.
> 
> 
> > Have just switched to an Intel Macintosh and am not able to access  
> > the Epson driver to
> > control printing after downloading the appropriate Intel Mac driver  
> > from the Epson website.
> > Advice on how to control printing on the new Mac would be appreciated.
> > Thank you,
> > -Harlan
> 
> I haven't upgraded to an Intel Mac yet, Harlan (because I've been  
> waiting for a MacBook Pro I think might do as a desktop replacement  
> for me), so I haven't any advice about how to do it. But since you've  
> just switched, I thought you might not yet know about some of the  
> specifically-Mac online resources which might help.
> 
> For example, there's a nice small MacEpsonList, also at YahooGroups,  
> and your 220 question should make a good introduction to it. In  
> particular, I'll look forward to seeing Denver Dan's response to it.
> 
> The MacInTouch.com web site is a more general resource which includes  
> topical Reader Reports, in this case "Printing" with an Epson subset.  
> I skim at least the first screenful of MacInTouch daily (and use its  
> Amazon link to partially pay for its free service).
> 
> If MacInTouch is our daily "newspaper", TidBITS is our weekly  
> magazine, but it's more than that, and you can get it free off of  
> tidbits.com or have it e-mailed to you free each Tuesday morning. But  
> it's not so oriented to specific problems. So until the Mac users  
> with a 220 on this list pipe up, I'd ask on the MacEpsonList and on  
> MacInTouch.com's reader report on printing with Epsons.
> 
> Good luck; in a few months, I hope to be asking you MacIntel questions.
> --
> Sam
>

On Dec 9, 2006, at 8:58 PM, hhchapman4104 wrote:

> Hello Sam,
> Thank you very much for the references to the Mac Epson and  
> MacInTouch. I was not
> aware of them. I look forward to learning from them.

Good, Harlan; I think you've got a real treat waiting for you.


> I was able to figure out the print driver. All the utility is  
> there, I think, the interface is just
> vastly different and perhaps a little less convenient, but not bad.  
> The settings for paper,
> gamma, BO vs color, etc. are accessed through the regular "print"  
> selection in the drop
> down menu and then selecting the "copies and pages" option for a  
> variety of settings to
> use for printing that cover the same things one encounters in the  
> Epson driver on the PC.

Sounds a lot like my R200, which I'm trying to do my first serious  
printing with in the context of Christmas cards. So far, so good  
except for some font problems which I tend to think Apple, rather  
than Epson, is causing.


> We had been using a G5 desktop as our main computer. As our house  
> is very small we
> were also considering changing to a macbook pro in '07 given its  
> putative performance for
> its size. 5 weeks ago our G5 went in for service, fortunately  
> covered under Apple Care. In
> the mean time we had to use an old PC laptop to get by, thus the  
> printing (barely) using
> the PC platform. Apple was unable to fix our G5 and replaced it  
> with a MacPro desktop. A
> nice ending, but it took them 5 weeks to get to that point, which  
> was frustrating. So we
> are now on the Intel Mac platform ahead of schedule and on a  
> desktop, not a laptop as
> planned. I can't comment on the performance of Aperture and  
> Photoshop CS2 on the
> MacBook Pro. I can say that I'm very happy with how they have run  
> on the new Mac Pro
> desktop for the last 24 hours...
> -Harlan

What a story; I guess it's a happy ending; it's certainly better  
performance. What I'm hearing is that the current MBP is already good  
enough, but not really good, for Photoshop, much less for Aperture.  
But that the next MBP might very well be due to further chip  
developments. In any case, Lightroom might be enough less demanding  
to work fine on even the current MBP, and I'm not sure I won't prefer  
Lightroom anyway.

Good luck with your new Mac, Harlan, and happy holidays printing from  
it.
--
Sam

>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sam  
> McCandless <samcc@...>
> wrote:
>> [snip]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "hhchapman4104" 
<hchapman@...> wrote:
 I think, the interface is just 
> vastly different and perhaps a little less convenient, but not bad. 

Harlan if you are not familiar with the Mac R220 driver screens there 
is another small but annoying item that will probably creep up.  The 
Print with Preview button in CS2 will drop you into the second screen 
of the print process, Page Setup being the first.  If you find your' 
prints are a quarter of an inch or so off center, back up to the Page 
Setup screen and check that the Format For: drop down hasn't defaulted 
to Any Printer from Stylus Photo R220. I make it a habit to go there 
everytime I print to make that check.  Enjoy the Mac.

Sam,

this has nothing to do with the performance of the Intel Macs - it is  
purely an Adobe issue.

Adobe has chosen NOT to write a universal binary version of CS2 - so  
the Intel Mcs has to use the Rosetta translation in order to run the  
Mca version of CS2 - of course - you can install Parallels or boot  
the Intel Macs as a PC and run the Windows version which will run at  
full speed of the processor.

The Core 2 Duo processor is generally considered the fastest thing  
out there - so don't blame Apple of this - it is purely Adobe who's a  
fault here - and are incurring the wrath of many, many Adobe users -  
me for one - I am certainly hoping Apple will write a Photoshop  
killer - as a Photoshop user since version 1 - I am enraged at the  
way Adobe is treating it's Mac users.

Christer



			Christer, AKA Christer Rosewell
		  pronounced "Chris-ter" - NOT "Christ-er"
"It's the artist's job to accomplish two things-to stir the emotions  
of the viewer
	  and to lay bare the soul of his subject." Jousuf Karsh
      		  Member EP (Editorial Photographers)
			 http://www.ChristerArt.com
			  A "peek" page of my work:
	http://www.christerart.com/Fotose/peek.htm
    more about me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christer
		  	   4.3 million visitors to date..



"What a story; I guess it's a happy ending; it's certainly better
performance. What I'm hearing is that the current MBP is already good
enough, but not really good, for Photoshop, much less for Aperture.
But that the next MBP might very well be due to further chip
developments. In any case, Lightroom might be enough less demanding
to work fine on even the current MBP, and I'm not sure I won't prefer
Lightroom anyway.

Good luck with your new Mac, Harlan, and happy holidays printing from
it.
--
Sam
"

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On Dec 10, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Christer Rosewell wrote:

> Sam,
>
> this has nothing to do with the performance of the Intel Macs - it is
> purely an Adobe issue.

Actually, Christer, the _relatively_ limited performance of the  
current MBP vs the next MBP which I had in mind can I think be laid  
at the doorstep of Intel for being slow to reclaim their leadership  
in the window-box war with AMD. The next MBP will be even faster, I  
believe, partly because its admittedly already impressive Core 2 Duo  
processor will be even faster when it can be used in the context of  
the "Santa Rosa" chip not yet released by Intel. Or at least that's  
what I've heard.

Such an MBP might then be released with the major OS X upgrade also  
just around the corner and who knows what in the way of a  faster  
graphic processor. And maybe even four GB of RAM? Whatever, I think  
the next MBP should probably be regarded mature, and that I should  
probably then quit waiting for it to get even better and buy one as a  
replacement for my old Mac desktop.


> Adobe has chosen NOT to write a universal binary version of CS2 - so
> the Intel Mcs has to use the Rosetta translation in order to run the
> Mca version of CS2 - of course - you can install Parallels or boot
> the Intel Macs as a PC and run the Windows version which will run at
> full speed of the processor.
>
> The Core 2 Duo processor is generally considered the fastest thing
> out there - so don't blame Apple of this - it is purely Adobe who's a
> fault here - and are incurring the wrath of many, many Adobe users -
> me for one - I am certainly hoping Apple will write a Photoshop
> killer - as a Photoshop user since version 1 - I am enraged at the
> way Adobe is treating it's Mac users.
>
> Christer

I feel your rage, Christer, and sometimes participate in it. But I  
also think Apple unnecessarily angered and scared Adobe by firing  
Aperture across the bow of Adobe's Photoshop flagship. So I don't  
think we can fault Adobe for making Apple - and incidentally us -  
wait while it wheels Lightroom into position to compete with  
Aperture. And absent that, I think Apple would be improving Aperture  
even more slowly and still at its originally higher price. If so  
that's some compensation for the collateral damage we've suffered in  
the Apple-Adobe skirmish.

So I'm maybe as frustrated as anybody but less angry at Adobe because  
I'm angry at Apple too. But now let's see if we can agree on  
Microsoft's outrageously bumbling and fumbling Vista, therefore  
leaving both Adobe and Apple free to continue to neglect our image- 
processing needs for years on end.

In any case, happy holidays, Christer, and please welcome my dumb  
MacIntel questions when I start to lob them over the Sierras in late  
winter (I hope) or early spring (more likely I guess).

Thanks for taking me away from printing Christmas cards. 8)
--
Sam

Note that porting anything written in Carbon with certain non-Apple IDE's to Universal Binaries is rather difficult. It essentially requires a hefty rewrite of the UI code as well as some other parts (anything that ties in closely with the IDE's code libraries). Adobe has been doing that, but the timeline is such that they wouldn't have had an Intel native version of CS2 out much before the launch of CS3. So they decided to go with CS3 instead.

-Adam




Christer Rosewell wrote:

> 
> 
> Sam,
> 
> this has nothing to do with the performance of the Intel Macs - it is
> purely an Adobe issue.
> 
> Adobe has chosen NOT to write a universal binary version of CS2 - so
> the Intel Mcs has to use the Rosetta translation in order to run the
> Mca version of CS2 - of course - you can install Parallels or boot
> the Intel Macs as a PC and run the Windows version which will run at
> full speed of the processor.
> 
> The Core 2 Duo processor is generally considered the fastest thing
> out there - so don't blame Apple of this - it is purely Adobe who's a
> fault here - and are incurring the wrath of many, many Adobe users -
> me for one - I am certainly hoping Apple will write a Photoshop
> killer - as a Photoshop user since version 1 - I am enraged at the
> way Adobe is treating it's Mac users.
> 
> Christer
> 
> Christer, AKA Christer Rosewell
> pronounced "Chris-ter" - NOT "Christ-er"
> "It's the artist's job to accomplish two things-to stir the emotions
> of the viewer
> and to lay bare the soul of his subject." Jousuf Karsh
> Member EP (Editorial Photographers)
> http://www.ChristerArt.com <http://www.ChristerArt.com>
> A "peek" page of my work:
> http://www.christerart.com/Fotose/peek.htm 
> <http://www.christerart.com/Fotose/peek.htm>
> more about me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christer 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christer>
> 4.3 million visitors to date..
> 
> "What a story; I guess it's a happy ending; it's certainly better
> performance. What I'm hearing is that the current MBP is already good
> enough, but not really good, for Photoshop, much less for Aperture.
> But that the next MBP might very well be due to further chip
> developments. In any case, Lightroom might be enough less demanding
> to work fine on even the current MBP, and I'm not sure I won't prefer
> Lightroom anyway.
> 
> Good luck with your new Mac, Harlan, and happy holidays printing from
> it.
> --
> Sam
> "
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>