Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
about a year ago I tried making profiles for QTR for my 2100 with my scanner and the results were terrible. I can't afford PrintFix Pro - not until I can sell more work. 
For colour printing it's possible to send off test prints to various places to get custom profiles made (my paper vendor does it for free). With a RIP it is much more complex and I wondered if anyone is offering the service of remotely making custom curves and profiles for QTR.

I could always do RGB prints with the custom profiles using the Epson driver, but under fluorescent light they go noticeably magenta and QTR is so much better at reducing metamerism - so that's the way I want to keep printing.

thanks,
Richard
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Richard;
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield 
<r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> about a year ago I tried making profiles for QTR for my 2100 with my 
scanner and the results were terrible. I can't afford PrintFix Pro - 
not until I can sell more work. 
 I used non- linearised QTR curves for over a year with fairly good 
results; then I got PFP 1.1 and the spectro, and the results were 
worse, not better. So I started just plugging in the nearest applicable 
set of numbers from Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts. I'm now 
getting the best results I've ever gotten with QTR, with a very smooth 
ramp and visible tonal separation all the way down to black. I'm on a 
PC, I don't even know if this is possible with QTR on the Mac version, 
but if it is you should try it.

Steven Karafyllakis

At 12:06 PM Monday 12/11/2006, you wrote:
>So I started just plugging in the nearest applicable 
>set of numbers from Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts. I'm now 
>getting the best results I've ever gotten with QTR, 

Thanks a lot for that - I'll look it up. What ink and paper combination are you using?

I'm using UC plus HPR308, Epson Velvet or Moab Entrada Bright.

Richard

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I'm using either a 7600 with MIS Pro inks and HPR308 or William 
Turner, or (my main workhorse) an R1800 with MIS K4 inks  with LK and 
LLK in the gloss and red positions respectively. And the same papers, 
and quite a few RC experiments...

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard 
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> At 12:06 PM Monday 12/11/2006, you wrote:
> >So I started just plugging in the nearest applicable 
> >set of numbers from Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts. I'm now 
> >getting the best results I've ever gotten with QTR, 
> 
> Thanks a lot for that - I'll look it up. What ink and paper 
combination are you using?

> 
> I'm using UC plus HPR308, Epson Velvet or Moab Entrada Bright.
> 
> Richard
> 
>

Steve,
Don't know if this will help you, but PFP has been updated(this 
weekend) to 2.0 and has some things for B&W.
Also, have you checked Keith Coopers site:
http://northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/printfix_pro_for_bw.html
Hope this helps!


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@...> wrote:
 
> not until I can sell more work. 
>  I used non- linearised QTR curves for over a year with fairly good 
> results; then I got PFP 1.1 and the spectro, and the results were 
> worse, not better. So I started just plugging in the nearest 
applicable 
> set of numbers from Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts. I'm now 
> getting the best results I've ever gotten with QTR, with a very 
smooth 
> ramp and visible tonal separation all the way down to black. I'm on 
a 
> PC, I don't even know if this is possible with QTR on the Mac 
version, 

> but if it is you should try it.
> 
> Steven Karafyllakis
>

Where can I find Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts?

Thanks.

Helene



>> I used non- linearised QTR curves for over a year with fairly good
results; then I got PFP 1.1 and the spectro, and the results were
worse, not better. So I started just plugging in the nearest applicable
set of numbers from Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts. I'm now
getting the best results I've ever gotten with QTR, with a very smooth
ramp and visible tonal separation all the way down to black. I'm on a
PC, I don't even know if this is possible with QTR on the Mac version,
but if it is you should try it.


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See pages 25-26 of the QTR User's Guide by Tom Moore.  This is part 
of the program download and should be in the QTR folder as a Pdf 
document.  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Helene Penn" 
<grdglass@...> wrote:
>
> Where can I find Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Helene
> 
> 
> 
> >> I used non- linearised QTR curves for over a year with fairly 
good
> results; then I got PFP 1.1 and the spectro, and the results were
> worse, not better. So I started just plugging in the nearest 
applicable
> set of numbers from Tom Moore's 'Ideal Densities' charts. I'm now
> getting the best results I've ever gotten with QTR, with a very 
smooth
> ramp and visible tonal separation all the way down to black. I'm on 
a
> PC, I don't even know if this is possible with QTR on the Mac 
version,

> but if it is you should try it.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>