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Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-06 by mkitei

Hi,

I just heard from a german photographer friend that he is using a new
stock for printing B&W large prints on lightjet. It's called Baryt in
Germany. It is a fiber based B&W stock so no metamerism or color cast
that sometimes accompanies the color stocks currently in use. He is
very enthusiastic about it. Does anyone know if the process is
available in the U.S. and if so, at which labs.

No, I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this. I'm just
looking for a dependable, economic way to print big.

Thanks,

Mike

Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-06 by djon43

Baryt refers to baryta, the white clay coating (of fiber paper) upon
which virtually all fine traditional B&W silver emulsion has been 
deposited since before Kodabromide was introduced (except for the junk
plastic papers).

I've been wondering why it isn't used for inkjet, since there are
undoubtedly people who'd pay the price. OTOH, I'm pretty happy with
some of the matte papers already, particularly Moab's.  

I'd imagine Seagull would produce baryta inkjet paper if it felt there
was a market, since like Kodak, Ilford, and Agfa they've made
baryta-coated paper forever. Probably incredibly expensive, since the
transportation, paper, packaging, baryta coating and manufacturing
process would force it to cost virtually the same as silver paper (the
silver's only a tiny part of the expense in making silver paper). 

Of interest:

Harman Professional photo inkjet paper
Posted 13 September, 2006 in Product News

HARMAN Technology Limited Press Release:

    Harman, the leading professional imaging specialist has provided
the first ever glimpse of its new professional photo inkjet paper,
just days before officially unveiling the products to the industry at
the Photokina exhibition in Cologne, Germany. This exclusive shot of
the product and its packaging has only been distributed to selected
online media and is the only picture to be made available before the
Photokina show. The picture shows the first two products in the range,
which incorporate a real photo Baryta layer within their coating – the
only photographic inkjet media to do so. The matt finish product
pictured, will incorporate instant-dry silica technology. Created
primarily for the fine art and professional photography market, HARMAN
wanted the real users to see the innovative products first.

    Howard Hopwood, Marketing Director at HARMAN technology commented:
"At HARMAN technology, we believe ourselves to be very much a part of
the photographic community. We are very enthusiastic about the launch
of our first professional photo inkjet products, and we wanted the
people who will benefit most from using them to see the products first."

    The black boxes will provide a strong presence on shelf, and
colour coding has been used within the artwork to easily identify each
individual product in the range. Product test packs will be
distributed to the photographic media over the coming weeks, and
detailed launch plans are due to be announced in the very near future. 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mkitei"
<mkitei@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> 
> I just heard from a german photographer friend that he is using a new
> stock for printing B&W large prints on lightjet. It's called Baryt in
> Germany. It is a fiber based B&W stock so no metamerism or color cast
> that sometimes accompanies the color stocks currently in use. He is
> very enthusiastic about it. Does anyone know if the process is
> available in the U.S. and if so, at which labs.
> 
> No, I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this. I'm just
> looking for a dependable, economic way to print big.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-06 by Carl Schofield

I saw this press release quite awhile ago.  So who will be retailing  
the Harman (Ilford) papers, where, and when?  I haven't seen anything  
here in the states.

Carl
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On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:24 PM, djon43 wrote:

> Baryt refers to baryta, the white clay coating (of fiber paper) upon
> which virtually all fine traditional B&W silver emulsion has been
> deposited since before Kodabromide was introduced (except for the junk
> plastic papers).
>
> I've been wondering why it isn't used for inkjet, since there are
> undoubtedly people who'd pay the price. OTOH, I'm pretty happy with
> some of the matte papers already, particularly Moab's.
>
> I'd imagine Seagull would produce baryta inkjet paper if it felt there
> was a market, since like Kodak, Ilford, and Agfa they've made
> baryta-coated paper forever. Probably incredibly expensive, since the
> transportation, paper, packaging, baryta coating and manufacturing
> process would force it to cost virtually the same as silver paper (the
> silver's only a tiny part of the expense in making silver paper).
>
> Of interest:
>
> Harman Professional photo inkjet paper
> Posted 13 September, 2006 in Product News
>
> HARMAN Technology Limited Press Release:
>
>     Harman, the leading professional imaging specialist has provided
> the first ever glimpse of its new professional photo inkjet paper,
> just days before officially unveiling the products to the industry at
> the Photokina exhibition in Cologne, Germany. This exclusive shot of
> the product and its packaging has only been distributed to selected
> online media and is the only picture to be made available before the
> Photokina show. The picture shows the first two products in the range,
> which incorporate a real photo Baryta layer within their coating – the
> only photographic inkjet media to do so. The matt finish product
> pictured, will incorporate instant-dry silica technology. Created
> primarily for the fine art and professional photography market, HARMAN
> wanted the real users to see the innovative products first.
>
>     Howard Hopwood, Marketing Director at HARMAN technology commented:
> "At HARMAN technology, we believe ourselves to be very much a part of
> the photographic community. We are very enthusiastic about the launch
> of our first professional photo inkjet products, and we wanted the
> people who will benefit most from using them to see the products  
> first."
>
>     The black boxes will provide a strong presence on shelf, and
> colour coding has been used within the artwork to easily identify each
> individual product in the range. Product test packs will be
> distributed to the photographic media over the coming weeks, and
> detailed launch plans are due to be announced in the very near future.
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mkitei"
> <mkitei@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just heard from a german photographer friend that he is using a new
>> stock for printing B&W large prints on lightjet. It's called Baryt in
>> Germany. It is a fiber based B&W stock so no metamerism or color cast
>> that sometimes accompanies the color stocks currently in use. He is
>> very enthusiastic about it. Does anyone know if the process is
>> available in the U.S. and if so, at which labs.
>>
>> No, I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this. I'm just
>> looking for a dependable, economic way to print big.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>>

Re: [Digital BW] Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by Mark Savoia

There are several labs using it, one of them is Modern Age in NYC. It  
is great stuff.
Mark
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On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:44 PM, mkitei wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just heard from a german photographer friend that he is using a new
> stock for printing B&W large prints on lightjet. It's called Baryt in
> Germany. It is a fiber based B&W stock so no metamerism or color cast
> that sometimes accompanies the color stocks currently in use. He is
> very enthusiastic about it. Does anyone know if the process is
> available in the U.S. and if so, at which labs.
>
> No, I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this. I'm just
> looking for a dependable, economic way to print big.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by Mark Savoia

BTW, it is not economical right now, I think 16x20 is $150 or so.  
That price will come down as more places do it and Ilford makes more  
paper. I wish I could do it but the investment in a Lightjet or Lamda  
is still too steep for us. And then there is the fiber-based  
processor you need, or cut (with waste) and trough process.
Mark
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> On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:44 PM, mkitei wrote:
>>
>> No, I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this. I'm just
>> looking for a dependable, economic way to print big.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by Mark Savoia

Ilford will, distributed by Wynit.
Mark
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On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> I saw this press release quite awhile ago.  So who will be retailing
> the Harman (Ilford) papers, where, and when?  I haven't seen anything
> here in the states.
>
> Carl
>

Re: [Digital BW] Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by jonshiu

Hi, see also www.elevatordigital.ca for prices and info on a Toronto 
place that uses the fiber paper.

Jon Shiu
Elk, California
www.jonshiu.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia 
<mark@...> wrote:
>
> BTW, it is not economical right now, I think 16x20 is $150 or so.  
> That price will come down as more places do it and Ilford makes 
more  
> paper. I wish I could do it but the investment in a Lightjet or 
Lamda  
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> is still too steep for us. And then there is the fiber-based  
> processor you need, or cut (with waste) and trough process.
> Mark
> 
> 
> > On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:44 PM, mkitei wrote:
> >>
> >> No, I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this. I'm just
> >> looking for a dependable, economic way to print big.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Mike
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by everard williams

On 1/6/07 2:39 PM, "Carl Schofield" <list@...> wrote:

> I saw this press release quite awhile ago.  So who will be retailing
> the Harman (Ilford) papers, where, and when?  I haven't seen anything
> here in the states.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:24 PM, djon43 wrote:
> 
>> Baryt refers to baryta, the white clay coating (of fiber paper) upon
>> which virtually all fine traditional B&W silver emulsion has been
>> deposited since before Kodabromide was introduced (except for the junk
>> plastic papers).
>> 
>> I've been wondering why it isn't used for inkjet, since there are
>> undoubtedly people who'd pay the price. OTOH, I'm pretty happy with
>> some of the matte papers already, particularly Moab's.
>> 
>> I'd imagine Seagull would produce baryta inkjet paper if it felt there
>> was a market, since like Kodak, Ilford, and Agfa they've made
>> baryta-coated paper forever. Probably incredibly expensive, since the
>> transportation, paper, packaging, baryta coating and manufacturing
>> process would force it to cost virtually the same as silver paper (the
>> silver's only a tiny part of the expense in making silver paper).
>> 
>> Of interest:
>> 
>> Harman Professional photo inkjet paper
>> Posted 13 September, 2006 in Product News
>> 
>> HARMAN Technology Limited Press Release:
>> 
>>     Harman, the leading professional imaging specialist has provided
>> the first ever glimpse of its new professional photo inkjet paper,
>> just days before officially unveiling the products to the industry at
>> the Photokina exhibition in Cologne, Germany. This exclusive shot of
>> the product and its packaging has only been distributed to selected
>> online media and is the only picture to be made available before the
>> Photokina show. The picture shows the first two products in the range,
>> which incorporate a real photo Baryta layer within their coating ­ the
>> only photographic inkjet media to do so. The matt finish product
>> pictured, will incorporate instant-dry silica technology. Created
>> primarily for the fine art and professional photography market, HARMAN
>> wanted the real users to see the innovative products first.
>> 
>>     Howard Hopwood, Marketing Director at HARMAN technology commented:
>> "At HARMAN technology, we believe ourselves to be very much a part of
>> the photographic community. We are very enthusiastic about the launch
>> of our first professional photo inkjet products, and we wanted the
>> people who will benefit most from using them to see the products
>> first."
>> 
>>     The black boxes will provide a strong presence on shelf, and
>> colour coding has been used within the artwork to easily identify each
>> individual product in the range. Product test packs will be
>> distributed to the photographic media over the coming weeks, and
>> detailed launch plans are due to be announced in the very near future.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mkitei"
>> <mkitei@...> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I just heard from a german photographer friend that he is using a new
>>> stock for printing B&W large prints on lightjet. It's called Baryt in
>>> Germany. It is a fiber based B&W stock so no metamerism or color cast
>>> that sometimes accompanies the color stocks currently in use. He is
>>> very enthusiastic about it. Does anyone know if the process is
>>> available in the U.S. and if so, at which labs.
>>> 
>>> No, I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this. I'm just
>>> looking for a dependable, economic way to print big.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
> 
> 
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I know that nardulli's in LA will be doing this. Also check with labs in
NYC.

Hope this helps,

E

Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by hjswim2@aol.com

Mark : <There are several labs using it, one of them is Modern Age in NYC. It 
is great stuff.>

Yes, this is "digital B&W fiber." Laumont does it in NYC, too. I've been 
there and looked at the prints. Really beautiful stuff. I mean, really beautiful.

Don't know what the permanence situation is; I don't think Wilhelm has any 
ratings on this yet.

FYI, Laumont is arguably the highest-end, fine-art photo lab in the U.S. At 
least their client list puts them in that position. For example, they print for 
Irving Penn.

http://www.laumont.com/laumontStudio.html

Harald Johnson
author, "Mastering Digital Printing, Second Edition"
DP&I.com ( http://www.dpandi.com )
digital printing and imaging consultant

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by John

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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

Mark : <There are several labs using it, one of them is Modern Age in NYC. It 
is great stuff.>

Yes, this is "digital B&W fiber." Laumont does it in NYC, too. I've been 
there and looked at the prints. Really beautiful stuff. I mean, really beautiful.

Don't know what the permanence situation is; I don't think Wilhelm has any 
ratings on this yet.

FYI, Laumont is arguably the highest-end, fine-art photo lab in the U.S. At 
least their client list puts them in that position. For example, they print for 
Irving Penn.

http://www.laumont. com/laumontStudi o.html

Harald Johnson
author, "Mastering Digital Printing, Second Edition"
DP&I.com ( http://www.dpandi. com )
digital printing and imaging consultant



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Ilford fiber based B&W paper for lightjet/lamda prints

2007-01-07 by Mark Savoia

I don't think Wilhelm would have anything to do with it since it is a  
gelatin silver paper.
Mark
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On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:59 AM, hjswim2@... wrote:

> Mark : <There are several labs using it, one of them is Modern Age  
> in NYC. It
> is great stuff.>
>
> Yes, this is "digital B&W fiber." Laumont does it in NYC, too. I've  
> been
> there and looked at the prints. Really beautiful stuff. I mean,  
> really beautiful.
>
> Don't know what the permanence situation is; I don't think Wilhelm  
> has any
> ratings on this yet.
>
> FYI, Laumont is arguably the highest-end, fine-art photo lab in the  
> U.S. At
> least their client list puts them in that position. For example,  
> they print for
> Irving Penn.
>
> http://www.laumont.com/laumontStudio.html
>
> Harald Johnson
> author, "Mastering Digital Printing, Second Edition"
> DP&I.com ( http://www.dpandi.com )
> digital printing and imaging consultant
>

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