Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 1/16/07 1:02:54 PM, cloudswimmer@... writes:


> I've been going around on this 5000 printer vs. a 4800 myself.Michael
> Reichman's LL review does make it sound pretty good, however
> personally I'm not going to buy a printer based on one review from a
> guy whos work I've never seen.His review of the 4800 with K3 ink using 
> ABW mode was pretty discouraging
> 

Both the iPF5000   and the 4800 can produce great B&W prints with the OEM 
inks. If you aren't satisfied with what the built in B&W mode offers, you can 
gain a great deal of control and precision for the process by using PrintFIX PRO 
2 with these printers. 

I'd choose based mostly on what types of media I wanted to print on: of its 
roll only, the iPF5000 would be ideal. If you plan to use sheets of art paper, 
the 4800 would be more convenient for loading them. If you plan to use 
gloss/luster as well as matte/art media, then the iPF5000 (or Epson 3800) has the 
advantage of both blacks in place at once for both types of printing. Don't get 
the 4800 if you plan to swap from gloss/luster to matte/art. The 3800 is worth 
considering if you print sheets only, and want a smaller machine at a lower 
price. The iPF5000 is twice the size of the 3800 for the same size prints.

Choice is a wonderful thing...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Where in the heck does one get b&w Canon IPF 5000 samples?I don't
consider a color cast on a print a great b&w photo, especially when
handed around in an open portfolio, and so far thats all I've
seen.Seems with a 3800 or 5000 your stuck with the inksets.My research
so far shows no MIS Ultra Tone or Piezography K7 for either printer.Am
I wrong on this?Neither company will answer me yea or nea

DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 1/16/07 1:02:54 PM, cloudswimmer@... writes:
> 
> 
> > I've been going around on this 5000 printer vs. a 4800 myself.Michael
> > Reichman's LL review does make it sound pretty good, however
> > personally I'm not going to buy a printer based on one review from a
> > guy whos work I've never seen.His review of the 4800 with K3 ink
using 
> > ABW mode was pretty discouraging
> > 
> 
> Both the iPF5000   and the 4800 can produce great B&W prints with
the OEM 
> inks. If you aren't satisfied with what the built in B&W mode
offers, you can 
> gain a great deal of control and precision for the process by using
PrintFIX PRO 
> 2 with these printers. 
> 
> I'd choose based mostly on what types of media I wanted to print on:
of its 
> roll only, the iPF5000 would be ideal. If you plan to use sheets of
art paper, 
> the 4800 would be more convenient for loading them. If you plan to use 
> gloss/luster as well as matte/art media, then the iPF5000 (or Epson
3800) has the 
> advantage of both blacks in place at once for both types of
printing. Don't get 
> the 4800 if you plan to swap from gloss/luster to matte/art. The
3800 is worth 
> considering if you print sheets only, and want a smaller machine at
a lower 
> price. The iPF5000 is twice the size of the 3800 for the same size
prints.

> 
> Choice is a wonderful thing...
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> 
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>

In a message dated 1/16/07 2:27:18 PM, cloudswimmer@... writes:


> Where in the heck does one get b&w Canon IPF 5000 samples?I don't
> consider a color cast on a print a great b&w photo, especially when
> handed around in an open portfolio, and so far thats all I've
> seen. Seems with a 3800 or 5000 your stuck with the inksets
> 

I can print dead neutral on both machines... so its the samples. The 
advantage of the OEM inksets is that you can print color as well. Other options should 
appear over time, though Canon third party inks will probably be slower, as 
there is less background and historic market there.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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