Digital BW, The Print

Hi all,

I have been using OPM with epson inks on an epson 2200, and would like to make the 
transition to the MIS UT7 or Peizo inksets.  The question is which is the better/easier one to 
work with?  I'm a traditional Fiber print maker, and would like to come close to the beautiful
tonal range and Deep blacks of Ilford DW FB gloss paper.  Obviously quality is more 
important then ease of use in choosing the inkset.
I'm hoping to make the transition soon, as I'm preparing a portfolio of images that I made in 
Afghanistan for a show in the SF bay area.
Thanks,
Zabi

www.zabiphoto.com

First, I apologize for the basic question but I am trying to help my 14 
year-old son who has decided to start shooting digital B&W in addition 
to color.  We have discovered that our Cannon IP6600D does not do B&W 
well.  We need to get some prints done quickly for an 
application/portfolio he is working on.

Should I invest in another printed dedicated to B&W or head out to a 
print shop of some sorts?  Any suggested links, search terms or other 
suggestions would be helpful.  Thank you.

TD

The epson 3800 will do a superb job. No printer that i know of is
dedicated to b&w as you need all the colour inks to print b&w, hence
they are always colour as well.
Jules


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tduncaneu"
<tim@...> wrote:

>
> First, I apologize for the basic question but I am trying to help my 14 
> year-old son who has decided to start shooting digital B&W in addition 
> to color.  We have discovered that our Cannon IP6600D does not do B&W 
> well.  We need to get some prints done quickly for an 
> application/portfolio he is working on.
> 
> Should I invest in another printed dedicated to B&W or head out to a 
> print shop of some sorts?  Any suggested links, search terms or other 
> suggestions would be helpful.  Thank you.
> 
> TD
>

how many prints does he need, and how quickly does he need them? what is your budget?
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not to step on his budding interest in learning to do black and white and print, but it might be cheaper in the immediate time to have them printed by someone who has a quick turn around time and knows exactly what needs to be done and how to accomplish it with as little difficulties as possible.

i have heard great things about the 3800 doing very nice black and white prints, but if price is an issue that may not be something you want to invest in at this time.
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good luck with his school project.
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--- On Mon, 1/5/09, tduncaneu <tim@...> wrote:

From: tduncaneu <tim@...>
Subject: [Digital BW] Newbie Question
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 12:52 PM






First, I apologize for the basic question but I am trying to help my 14 
year-old son who has decided to start shooting digital B&W in addition 
to color. We have discovered that our Cannon IP6600D does not do B&W 
well. We need to get some prints done quickly for an 
application/ portfolio he is working on.

Should I invest in another printed dedicated to B&W or head out to a 
print shop of some sorts? Any suggested links, search terms or other 
suggestions would be helpful. Thank you.

TD

 














      

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An option might be print at Costco.
I get good results and a reasonable price.
Mike J.

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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:53 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Newbie Question

First, I apologize for the basic question but I am trying to help my 14 
year-old son who has decided to start shooting digital B&W in addition 
to color.  We have discovered that our Cannon IP6600D does not do B&W 
well.  We need to get some prints done quickly for an 
application/portfolio he is working on.

Should I invest in another printed dedicated to B&W or head out to a 
print shop of some sorts?  Any suggested links, search terms or other 
suggestions would be helpful.  Thank you.

TD

I think the key is to find a place that is able to print a fairly
neutral B&W (watch for green or magenta color casts) consistently. 
Costco use Fuji Frontier and I recommend the "matte" paper (really a
semi-gloss) for B&W.  I used to do this using Winkflash.com as they
delivered consistently neutral prints.  These days I print everything
myself.

Inkjet printers found in prolabs like the Epson R3800 or R2400 (or
their larger variants) can also achieve this on a wider variety of
papers.  Maybe call around and see what your local photo labs or
stores would use to print B&W, what type of paper and what it costs?

Roger


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston"
<wpajohnson@...> wrote:

>
> An option might be print at Costco.
> I get good results and a reasonable price.
> Mike J.
>

If I need a silver print on RC paper, I use Mpix.com. If i want a print on Fiber paper, I use my darkroom.
If you email your B&W to mpix and tell them not to color correct, you'll get a perfect file. Their price is really reasonable and you get a true silver print. Don't go to Costco or any other lab that print B&W on color paper. It is not the same.
Their support is also awesome. You have to email them. No phone support. One of the file I ahd sent was damaged and I did not get the print for a show. I emailed them and got a reply instantly every time I answered back. They shipped me the print overnight at no charge.
Check them out.

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  From: Roger 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Newbie Question


  I think the key is to find a place that is able to print a fairly
  neutral B&W (watch for green or magenta color casts) consistently. 
  Costco use Fuji Frontier and I recommend the "matte" paper (really a
  semi-gloss) for B&W. I used to do this using Winkflash.com as they
  delivered consistently neutral prints. These days I print everything
  myself.

  Inkjet printers found in prolabs like the Epson R3800 or R2400 (or
  their larger variants) can also achieve this on a wider variety of
  papers. Maybe call around and see what your local photo labs or
  stores would use to print B&W, what type of paper and what it costs?

  Roger

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston"
  <wpajohnson@...> wrote:
  >
  > An option might be print at Costco.
  > I get good results and a reasonable price.
  > Mike J.
  > 



   

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tduncaneu" 
<tim@...> wrote:
>
> First, I apologize for the basic question but I am trying to help my 
14 
> year-old son who has decided to start shooting digital B&W in 
addition 
> to color.  We have discovered that our Cannon IP6600D does not do B&W 
> well.  We need to get some prints done quickly for an 
> application/portfolio he is working on.
> 
> Should I invest in another printed dedicated to B&W or head out to a 
> print shop of some sorts?  Any suggested links, search terms or other 
> suggestions would be helpful.  Tess.hank you.
> 
> TD
TD I would look for a local print shop that does B&W prints. Also, tell 
your son to ALWAYS shoot color and convert to B&W post process.