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Epson Advanced B/W

2007-02-23 by will gibson

All,

I've recently been printing black and whites thru PShop using an Epson 
7800 and the ABW mode. Prints like a jewel, VERY linear with Hahnemuehle 
Fine Art Pearl. But in the Printer color management page, the default 
for TONE is "Darker". Can anyone give me a plausible reason why? It 
definitely does print darker if I forget to switch it back to NORMAL 
which is 2 steps back in density. Thrown away 2 prints so far because of 
it. The only thing I can think of is that the sales people got in there 
and left this "land mine" to make the users screw up and use up more ink 
and paper than they need to. Any thoughts about this? I've been trained 
over the years to never trust using a PRESET as they revert to default 
settings seemingly randomly. Is this a Mac thing or does this sort of 
thing happen on Windows too?

Will Gibson

RE: [Digital BW] Epson Advanced B/W

2007-02-23 by Eric Neilsen Photo

Wil, It happened on my 4800 when I first got into the ABW on my PC. It could
be a hold over from the idea that a B&W that lacks depth is more likely to
be seen as a failure than one that is over inked. You might try setting up a
few custom set ups that allow you to push the detail and darken sliders a
bit. Print out a few 100 square patches so that you can really see the
squares as you move the sliders.  

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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All,

I've recently been printing black and whites thru PShop using an Epson 
7800 and the ABW mode. Prints like a jewel, VERY linear with Hahnemuehle 
Fine Art Pearl. But in the Printer color management page, the default 
for TONE is "Darker". Can anyone give me a plausible reason why? It 
definitely does print darker if I forget to switch it back to NORMAL 
which is 2 steps back in density. Thrown away 2 prints so far because of 
it. The only thing I can think of is that the sales people got in there 
and left this "land mine" to make the users screw up and use up more ink 
and paper than they need to. Any thoughts about this? I've been trained 
over the years to never trust using a PRESET as they revert to default 
settings seemingly randomly. Is this a Mac thing or does this sort of 
thing happen on Windows too?

Will Gibson

 



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Re: [Digital BW] Epson Advanced B/W

2007-02-23 by Ted Shaw

Hi Will -

Yes, it's the same in windows and it's a pain in the butt.

Best,

Ted
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  All,

  I've recently been printing black and whites thru PShop using an Epson 
  7800 and the ABW mode. Prints like a jewel, VERY linear with Hahnemuehle 
  Fine Art Pearl. But in the Printer color management page, the default 
  for TONE is "Darker". Can anyone give me a plausible reason why? It 
  definitely does print darker if I forget to switch it back to NORMAL 
  which is 2 steps back in density. Thrown away 2 prints so far because of 
  it. The only thing I can think of is that the sales people got in there 
  and left this "land mine" to make the users screw up and use up more ink 
  and paper than they need to. Any thoughts about this? I've been trained 
  over the years to never trust using a PRESET as they revert to default 
  settings seemingly randomly. Is this a Mac thing or does this sort of 
  thing happen on Windows too?

  Will Gibson



   

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Re: Epson Advanced B/W

2007-02-23 by Clayton Jones

Hello Will,

>I've recently been printing black and whites thru PShop using an 
>Epson 7800 and the ABW mode. Prints like a jewel, VERY linear with 
>Hahnemuehle Fine Art Pearl. But in the Printer color management 
>page, the default for TONE is "Darker". Can anyone give me a 
>plausible reason why? 

These settings seem to be the equivalent of the printer gamma settings
in the non-ABW mode.  Why Darker is the default I'm not certain, but
it may be because that works pretty well when GG2.2 is used as the
image profile.  I use a custom DG18 curve for my image profile and it
works best with the Light setting.  I avoid getting trapped by the
defaults by always selecting a saved setting.  That puts all the
various controls where I want them with a single operation.  Otherwise
it's too much to remember in the midst of working up an image.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: Epson Advanced B/W

2007-02-24 by Steven Karafyllakis

Will;

this may be a good time to learn to trust presets; After I saved a 
preset with 'normal' as the density, it has been coming up that way 
every time. Makes life much easier!

Regards

Steven Karafyllakis

I've been trained 
> over the years to never trust using a PRESET as they revert to 
default
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> settings seemingly randomly. Is this a Mac thing or does this sort of 
> thing happen on Windows too?
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> Will Gibson
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Advanced B/W

2007-02-24 by Steve Kale

This question is like asking why they named the 2400 the 2400 or why they
decided to call themselves Epson.  Who cares?  The default settings work
well ­ and even better with a QTR profile.
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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Advanced B/W

 
 
 

Hello Will,

>I've recently been printing black and whites thru PShop using an
>Epson 7800 and the ABW mode. Prints like a jewel, VERY linear with
>Hahnemuehle Fine Art Pearl. But in the Printer color management
>page, the default for TONE is "Darker". Can anyone give me a
>plausible reason why?




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