Digital BW, The Print

Michael, you ARE using one of Paul's curves and converting to RGB before
printing, right? :)

Jerry

"Michael J. Kravit" wrote:

> I just printed a 21 step ramp on Epson Fine Art Smooth with the MIS
> Variable Tone Inks. I am getting a significant amount of mottling in
> the midtones and shadow areas 90-95%. At first I thought that it is
> just wet, but it has been a good 15 minutes and it is still there.
>
> Has anyone else tested the EFAS?
>
> Mike
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Yup..!

Regards,

Michael J. Kravit, AIA
Architect/Photographer
www.kravit.net/photography

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Fine Art Smooth & MIS


  Michael, you ARE using one of Paul's curves and converting to RGB before
  printing, right? :)

  Jerry

  "Michael J. Kravit" wrote:

  > I just printed a 21 step ramp on Epson Fine Art Smooth with the MIS
  > Variable Tone Inks. I am getting a significant amount of mottling in
  > the midtones and shadow areas 90-95%. At first I thought that it is
  > just wet, but it has been a good 15 minutes and it is still there.
  >
  > Has anyone else tested the EFAS?
  >
  > Mike
  >
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Mike! Soon as I saw your post I loaded up some EFAS IN MY 7000. I have the 
Standard hextone inks with the addition of the VM-4 -k Black. I had printed 
this sheet last week without noticing the any mottle. I did a full 21x30in 
image mainly just too see if I liked the image big and I did a second 16x20 
of a different landscape image. Although I wasn't using any sep curves at the 
time the only warnings I got from this paper were that the Blacks were 
blocking up between 90-100% A transfer function adjustment fixed that. The 
21x30 image ran unattended and I didn't check it till a couple hours later.
Tonight I printed two photographs with a 21 step pasted to the bottom of the 
page.
I was horrified initially as the mottled look you described was showing its 
ugly face. Immediately I printed a second one using the glossy media 
selection which I know puts down less ink! Any way Its 45min later and the 
first print has dried down to an acceptable level.(much, much improved 
anyway) Two other prints I've made are drying down now. The one with less ink 
laid down is still mottled maybe even more so than the first one. Looks like 
this paper needs at least an Hour to dry down. Let me know how yours is 
looking. 
For a thick sheet in comparison the Eclipse  Velvet looks a lot nicer 
in(tone) and less fussy but it looks like the EFAS is not a  complete waste.
Steve M.

In a message dated 08/16/2001 6:48:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
kravit@... writes:

<< I just printed a 21 step ramp on Epson Fine Art Smooth with the MIS 
 Variable Tone Inks. I am getting a significant amount of mottling in 
 the midtones and shadow areas 90-95%. At first I thought that it is 
 just wet, but it has been a good 15 minutes and it is still there.
 
 Has anyone else tested the EFAS?
 
 Mike 
  >>

I printed the EFAS with Cones Piezography inks and the 7000 RIP. 
There is no mottling so I suspect that a curve adjustement will do 
it. The image I printed last night on EFAS still shows the mottling 
this morning.

On another note. Paul and I finished the warm curve for the MIS Vari-
Tones on the 7000. I wanted to test it out and see what it looked 
like on some other papers. I have approximately 5 sheets of Extreme 
Gamut Satine (Bright White) left over. I have not bought anymore 
since it did not print well with the Piezography inks. Besides I 
think they discontinued it. I was very surprised when the print was 
done. It looked wonderful. The weak blacks has nice density and the 
midtones were very smooth.

Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sdmey4@a... wrote:
Looks like 
> this paper needs at least an Hour to dry down. Let me know 
how yours is 
> looking. 


My only paper is ESFA in sheet weight. But I print with the MIS 
lightfast dyes, using a custom profile. I have seen this mottling 
before to some degree. I generally always wait a couple of hours 
now before really passing judgement on a print. At 1440, you can 
really feel the moisture of the ink on the surface of the paper 
when it pops out of the printer.

My MediaType setting with this paper on my 7000 is "Photo 
Paper" @ 1440 with HiSpeed off.

Also, if anyone orders a custom ICC profile, I'd also suggest 
printing out the chips, then letting them dry overnight before 
sending them out for a reading. I didn't do that initially, but now 
after some experience, I wish I had.

-Mark Tucker
http://marktucker.com/