Digital BW, The Print

Hello friends:

The PK cartridge on my 4800 is about to go dry (6%). I have wanted to switch back to MK ink, 
but have been putting it off till now. What do you think if I just switched the ink cartridge and 
NOT do an official purge 'n' switch, allowing some printing to let the printer move what is left 
of the PK ink out of the lines? I realize I may not get optimal results with the MK ink until 
about, what, 10-15 ml of that black ink has coursed through its veins. But will I be damaging 
anything?

Thanks!

if your 4800 is anything like the 9800, it won't let you do it. Will simply not let you 
proceed with the wrong cart. We had a work around with the x600s, but no one has 
cracked the x800s that I know of.
Good idea though, and no reason why we should be "allowed" to do it.

Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mdabrosca" <mdabrosca@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hello friends:
> 
> The PK cartridge on my 4800 is about to go dry (6%). I have wanted to switch back to MK 
ink, 
> but have been putting it off till now. What do you think if I just switched the ink 
cartridge and 
> NOT do an official purge 'n' switch, allowing some printing to let the printer move what 
is left 
> of the PK ink out of the lines? I realize I may not get optimal results with the MK ink until 
> about, what, 10-15 ml of that black ink has coursed through its veins. But will I be 
damaging 

> anything?
> 
> Thanks!
>

Hi Tyler:

Thanks for responding. I don't know what you're referring to when you say it's the "wrong" 
cart; both the gloss and matte black ink carts go in the same slot--just one *or* the other. 
My gloss black cart is almost used up and I was hoping to simply remove the gloss black 
and insert the new matte cart in its place. Normally I would go through the black ink 
switching routine and lose a lot of all 8 inks, but maybe I can just slap the matte black in 
there and print away, knowing that eventually the K line would eventually be flushed 
through with all MK ink. Just a thought, and I'm open to any more comments on potential 
problems with doing this.

Thanks again!
///////////////////
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:

>
> if your 4800 is anything like the 9800, it won't let you do it. Will simply not let you 
> proceed with the wrong cart. We had a work around with the x600s, but no one has 
> cracked the x800s that I know of.
> Good idea though, and no reason why we should be "allowed" to do it.
> 
> Tyler
>

mdabrosca wrote:
> Hi Tyler:
>
> Thanks for responding. I don't know what you're referring to when you say it's the "wrong" 
> cart; 
Listen to the man. He's telling you that it doesn't matter what *we* 
think is logical because it's not logical to the *machine.* If the 
machine won't do it, the machine won't do it. No need to believe us, 
however, when you can try it yourself. Replace your gloss cart with your 
matte cart and see.
--
Bruce Watson

In a message dated 3/25/2007 2:29:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mdabrosca@... writes:

Hi  Tyler:

Thanks for responding. I don't know what you're referring to  when you say 
it's the "wrong" 
cart; both the gloss and matte black ink  carts go in the same slot--just one 
*or* the other. 
My gloss black cart is  almost used up and I was hoping to simply remove the 
gloss black 
and  insert the new matte cart in its place. Normally I would go through the 
black  ink 
switching routine and lose a lot of all 8 inks, but maybe I can just  slap 
the matte black in 
there and print away, knowing that eventually the  K line would eventually be 
flushed 
through with all MK ink. Just a  thought, and I'm open to any more comments 
on potential 
problems with  doing this.

Thanks again!
///////////////////
--- In  DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@...>  wrote:
>
> if your 4800 is anything like the 9800, it won't let  you do it. Will 
simply not let you 
> proceed with the wrong cart. We  had a work around with the x600s, but no 
one has 
> cracked the x800s  that I know of.
> Good idea though, and no reason why we should be  "allowed" to do it.
> 
> Tyler



What Tyler is saying is what your machine is going to tell you. Using the  
procedure you describe, you will get a red ink light with "WRONG CART" on the  
LCD.
The  4000 and X600 printers had a work-around called the South  African 
switch, but someone has yet to come up with one for the x800 series of  printers. I 
wound up getting a second 4800 as my work-around.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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There is a work-around, but it's not pretty. You can take the bag out of the
PK cart, and put it into the MK cart (or vice-versa), and then use a chip
resetter so you can continue to use the old cart. I use an xacto knife to
cut the paper cover where it covers the seams, then stick the knife into the
slots in the cartridge to take the top off the cartridge. Another use of
this is that by rolling up the bag, you can get the last 30 ml of ink out of
the cartridge- but be careful not to run out of ink!

However, now you are printing with PK, but the machine thinks it's MK.
Sometimes the machine will throw a mismatch error- just hit the pause
button, and it will print.

Thanks to Walter Blackwell for this tip.
-- 
Regards,

Bill Morse
Wm. Morse Editions

(617) 429-3298

On 3/25/07, CorrPro96@... <CorrPro96@...> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2007 2:29:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mdabrosca@... <mdabrosca%40yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Hi Tyler:
>
> Thanks for responding. I don't know what you're referring to when you say
> it's the "wrong"
> cart; both the gloss and matte black ink carts go in the same slot--just
> one
> *or* the other.
> My gloss black cart is almost used up and I was hoping to simply remove
> the
> gloss black
> and insert the new matte cart in its place. Normally I would go through
> the
> black ink
> switching routine and lose a lot of all 8 inks, but maybe I can just slap
> the matte black in
> there and print away, knowing that eventually the K line would eventually
> be
> flushed
> through with all MK ink. Just a thought, and I'm open to any more comments
>
> on potential
> problems with doing this.
>
> Thanks again!
> ///////////////////
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Tyler Boley"
> <tyler@...> wrote:
> >
> > if your 4800 is anything like the 9800, it won't let you do it. Will
> simply not let you
> > proceed with the wrong cart. We had a work around with the x600s, but no
>
> one has
> > cracked the x800s that I know of.
> > Good idea though, and no reason why we should be "allowed" to do it.
> >
> > Tyler
>
> What Tyler is saying is what your machine is going to tell you. Using the
> procedure you describe, you will get a red ink light with "WRONG CART" on
> the
> LCD.
> The 4000 and X600 printers had a work-around called the South African
> switch, but someone has yet to come up with one for the x800 series of
> printers. I
> wound up getting a second 4800 as my work-around.
>
> Richard (Brooklyn)
>
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There is another solution:
Use one of the chipped funnel-fill cartridges from MediaStreet or MIS,  
chipped for the PK or MK, whichever you want to switch to. Order the appropriate  
bottled ink from either source, and fill the cart. 
You can now insert the cart with mis-matched ink and print out the ink  lines 
until you are getting the MK or PK on the paper.
This works very well because you can eye-ball the ink level and never run  
dry.
Cheaper too.
 
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It is only 4 inks not all 8. I haven't looked at all the paper choices that
are grayed out in both set ups, but is it really worth the potentially
wasted time of finding out? Seeing what does and does not work right?  I
have been running tests on OPH lately with PK after a printer exchange, and
plan to just use the swap out that Epson has set up for us. I have
previously made my negs with MK even though some say it doesn't work; it
does you just need to be careful and not handle the out put too roughly.  

 

 

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
CorrPro96@...
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:49 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800

 

There is another solution:
Use one of the chipped funnel-fill cartridges from MediaStreet or MIS, 
chipped for the PK or MK, whichever you want to switch to. Order the
appropriate 
bottled ink from either source, and fill the cart. 
You can now insert the cart with mis-matched ink and print out the ink lines

until you are getting the MK or PK on the paper.
This works very well because you can eye-ball the ink level and never run 
dry.
Cheaper too.

Richard (Brooklyn)

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Or just swap the chip.  But you¹ll still have the issues of the driver only
providing the paper choices (and the related internal driver parameters) for
the ink to which the chip relates.

From: Bill Morse <Bill.Morse@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:25:46 -0400
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800

 
 
 

There is a work-around, but it's not pretty. You can take the bag out of the
PK cart, and put it into the MK cart (or vice-versa), and then use a chip
resetter so you can continue to use the old cart. I use an xacto knife to
cut the paper cover where it covers the seams, then stick the knife into the
slots in the cartridge to take the top off the cartridge. Another use of
this is that by rolling up the bag, you can get the last 30 ml of ink out of
the cartridge- but be careful not to run out of ink!

However, now you are printing with PK, but the machine thinks it's MK.
Sometimes the machine will throw a mismatch error- just hit the pause
button, and it will print.

Thanks to Walter Blackwell for this tip.
-- 
Regards,

Bill Morse
Wm. Morse Editions




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Yes, it probably only works with a rip. Havent tried it with the epson
driver.
-- 
Regards,

Bill Morse
Wm. Morse Editions

(617) 429-3298
On 3/25/07, Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:
>
>   Or just swap the chip. But you¹ll still have the issues of the driver
> only
> providing the paper choices (and the related internal driver parameters)
> for
> the ink to which the chip relates.
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've been watching this discussion with much interest as I'm about to  
buy a 4800. The dealer here in No. California (Palo Alto) tells me  
that Epson now supplies 3 dummy carts that when inserted make the  
machine only purge the black ink you're swapping, at a cost of  
pennies instead of flushing the whole printer for dollars! Now is  
this shop "blowing smoke" or is this something that no one on this  
discussion board knows about or bothers with???

Thanks, Alan

On Mar 25, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Bill Morse wrote:

> Yes, it probably only works with a rip. Havent tried it with the epson
> driver.
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Bill Morse
> Wm. Morse Editions
>
> (617) 429-3298
> On 3/25/07, Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:
> >
> > Or just swap the chip. But you¹ll still have the issues of the  
> driver
> > only
> > providing the paper choices (and the related internal driver  
> parameters)
> > for
> > the ink to which the chip relates.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

He is right and wrong.  Yes the dummy carts stop the other 3 slots on the
left side from pumping their tube line ink into the tank.  Only the K line
is flushed.  However, the printer uses the opportunity to do a rather
extensive cleaning cycle (not at all dissimilar from the Power Clean) and a
lot of ink from all lines is used.

> From: Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:45:19 -0700
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800
> 
> I've been watching this discussion with much interest as I'm about to
> buy a 4800. The dealer here in No. California (Palo Alto) tells me
> that Epson now supplies 3 dummy carts that when inserted make the
> machine only purge the black ink you're swapping, at a cost of
> pennies instead of flushing the whole printer for dollars! Now is
> this shop "blowing smoke" or is this something that no one on this
> discussion board knows about or bothers with???
> 
> Thanks, Alan
> 
>

I sorry Steve but I'm still confused. You said the left side doesn't  
dump ink, only the K line. Then you say the printer does an  
"extensive cleaning cycle" and a lot of ink of "all lines" are used.  
Does this happen AFTER you remove the dummies from the left side of  
the printer? Or do you mean the cycle flushes the RIGHT side of the  
printer along with the K line?? And at what cost in ink if you can  
estimate?

Thanks, Alan

On Mar 25, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

> He is right and wrong. Yes the dummy carts stop the other 3 slots  
> on the
> left side from pumping their tube line ink into the tank. Only the  
> K line
> is flushed. However, the printer uses the opportunity to do a rather
> extensive cleaning cycle (not at all dissimilar from the Power  
> Clean) and a
> lot of ink from all lines is used.
>
> > From: Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:45:19 -0700
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800
> >
> > I've been watching this discussion with much interest as I'm  
> about to
> > buy a 4800. The dealer here in No. California (Palo Alto) tells me
> > that Epson now supplies 3 dummy carts that when inserted make the
> > machine only purge the black ink you're swapping, at a cost of
> > pennies instead of flushing the whole printer for dollars! Now is
> > this shop "blowing smoke" or is this something that no one on this
> > discussion board knows about or bothers with???
> >
> > Thanks, Alan
> >
> >
>
>

In a message dated 3/25/2007 1:45:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
alan_kearney@... writes:

I've  been watching this discussion with much interest as I'm about to  
buy  a 4800. The dealer here in No. California (Palo Alto) tells me  
that  Epson now supplies 3 dummy carts that when inserted make the  
machine  only purge the black ink you're swapping, at a cost of  
pennies  instead of flushing the whole printer for dollars! Now is  
this shop  "blowing smoke" or is this something that no one on this  
discussion  board knows about or bothers with???

Thanks,  Alan




Yes, there is a "Black Ink Conversion Kit" that comes with the 4800. In it,  
you get 3 cartridges for draining the following inks: Cyan Magenta and Yellow  
(along with the heavier draining of the black ink in the machine). The 
process  takes about 10 minutes, and requires that you lift and lower the ink 
release  lever several times as the machine purges the inks from the lines.
I don't know how much ink loss is involved, but I did it once, and the  
maintenance tank became quite wet.
This procedure purges the K line so that you are ready to print with the  new 
ink.
I personally would not want to do this on a regular basis, and, given the  
cost of inks, when I found another new 4800 on Ebay for $1350. I jumped on it. A 
 set of carts is almost half that. The convenience is priceless.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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No one bothers to look into these issues as we're stuck with the procedure and 
consequences anyway.
Steve is right, with a chip exchange/reset the driver won't let you select the other K ink 
media settings, so that's out.
Bill, my RIP still interacts with the chips, a setup for one K will not work with the other. I 
suppose I could start from scratch and build all setups and profiles as MK from the start. 
I'll pass on that for now, that's weeks of work all over again.
Also, x800 carts are much more difficult to deal with than x600s, Walker is pulling ink out 
of x800s and putting in x600 carts, not reusing x800 carts.
I've had to bow to Epson on this one, they've succeeded in dictating my behavior with my 
personal property. One day- Roland, one day...
Tyler


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@...> 
wrote:

>
> I sorry Steve but I'm still confused. You said the left side doesn't  
> dump ink, only the K line. Then you say the printer does an  
> "extensive cleaning cycle" and a lot of ink of "all lines" are used.  
> Does this happen AFTER you remove the dummies from the left side of  
> the printer? Or do you mean the cycle flushes the RIGHT side of the  
> printer along with the K line?? And at what cost in ink if you can  
> estimate?
> 
> Thanks, Alan
> 
> On Mar 25, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Steve Kale wrote:
> 
> > He is right and wrong. Yes the dummy carts stop the other 3 slots  
> > on the
> > left side from pumping their tube line ink into the tank. Only the  
> > K line
> > is flushed. However, the printer uses the opportunity to do a rather
> > extensive cleaning cycle (not at all dissimilar from the Power  
> > Clean) and a
> > lot of ink from all lines is used.
> >
> > > From: Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@...>
> > > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:45:19 -0700
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800
> > >
> > > I've been watching this discussion with much interest as I'm  
> > about to
> > > buy a 4800. The dealer here in No. California (Palo Alto) tells me
> > > that Epson now supplies 3 dummy carts that when inserted make the
> > > machine only purge the black ink you're swapping, at a cost of
> > > pennies instead of flushing the whole printer for dollars! Now is
> > > this shop "blowing smoke" or is this something that no one on this
> > > discussion board knows about or bothers with???
> > >
> > > Thanks, Alan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

if this issues weighs more heavily than others, like cart volume for lots of quantity 
printing, I'd serioulsy consider the 3800.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@...> 
wrote:

>
> I've been watching this discussion with much interest as I'm about to  
> buy a 4800. The dealer here in No. California (Palo Alto) tells me  
> that Epson now supplies 3 dummy carts that when inserted make the  
> machine only purge the black ink you're swapping, at a cost of  
> pennies instead of flushing the whole printer for dollars! Now is  
> this shop "blowing smoke" or is this something that no one on this  
> discussion board knows about or bothers with???
> 
> Thanks, Alan
> 
> On Mar 25, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Bill Morse wrote:
> 
> > Yes, it probably only works with a rip. Havent tried it with the epson
> > driver.
> > -- 
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill Morse
> > Wm. Morse Editions
> >
> > (617) 429-3298
> > On 3/25/07, Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Or just swap the chip. But you¹ll still have the issues of the  
> > driver
> > > only
> > > providing the paper choices (and the related internal driver  
> > parameters)
> > > for
> > > the ink to which the chip relates.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>

It does the cleaning after instructing you to put the proper carts back in.

I can't remember how much ink is used. I seem to recall circa 80ml of ink
but perhaps someone else has a better memory.

> From: Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:13:35 -0700
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800
> 
> I sorry Steve but I'm still confused. You said the left side doesn't
> dump ink, only the K line. Then you say the printer does an
> "extensive cleaning cycle" and a lot of ink of "all lines" are used.
> Does this happen AFTER you remove the dummies from the left side of
> the printer? Or do you mean the cycle flushes the RIGHT side of the
> printer along with the K line?? And at what cost in ink if you can
> estimate?
> 
> Thanks, Alan
>

Thanks Steve, I really appreciate the time you've taken to respond clearly.
Thanks to everyone that replied as well. I've thought of the 3800 as an
option but lacking roll paper feeds and the "lighter" build is pushing me
towards the 4800. I've been using a 4000 for 3 years with no troubles so
really looking forward to K3 inks in a platform as sturdy as that printer.

 

It sounds like proper planning of printing styles may be the key to
economical (relatively) ink usage. That or having two machine running at
once.

 

Alan

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Kale
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:55 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800

 

It does the cleaning after instructing you to put the proper carts back in.

I can't remember how much ink is used. I seem to recall circa 80ml of ink
but perhaps someone else has a better memory.

> From: Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@ <mailto:alan_kearney%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:13:35 -0700
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800
> 
> I sorry Steve but I'm still confused. You said the left side doesn't
> dump ink, only the K line. Then you say the printer does an
> "extensive cleaning cycle" and a lot of ink of "all lines" are used.
> Does this happen AFTER you remove the dummies from the left side of
> the printer? Or do you mean the cycle flushes the RIGHT side of the
> printer along with the K line?? And at what cost in ink if you can
> estimate?
> 
> Thanks, Alan
> 

 



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Keep your 4000 for the matte black ink and use the photo black in the 4800.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alan
Kearney
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:22 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800


Thanks Steve, I really appreciate the time you've taken to respond clearly.
Thanks to everyone that replied as well. I've thought of the 3800 as an
option but lacking roll paper feeds and the "lighter" build is pushing me
towards the 4800. I've been using a 4000 for 3 years with no troubles so
really looking forward to K3 inks in a platform as sturdy as that printer.



It sounds like proper planning of printing styles may be the key to
economical (relatively) ink usage. That or having two machine running at
once.



Alan



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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Kale
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:55 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800



It does the cleaning after instructing you to put the proper carts back in.

I can't remember how much ink is used. I seem to recall circa 80ml of ink
but perhaps someone else has a better memory.

> From: Alan Kearney <alan_kearney@ <mailto:alan_kearney%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:13:35 -0700
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Switching black inks - Epson 4800
>
> I sorry Steve but I'm still confused. You said the left side doesn't
> dump ink, only the K line. Then you say the printer does an
> "extensive cleaning cycle" and a lot of ink of "all lines" are used.
> Does this happen AFTER you remove the dummies from the left side of
> the printer? Or do you mean the cycle flushes the RIGHT side of the
> printer along with the K line?? And at what cost in ink if you can
> estimate?
>
> Thanks, Alan
>





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Thanks for all the input, gang.

While waiting and reading all this info, that Glossy Black cartridge went dry. Perfect timing!

I had completely forgotten about the Conversion Kit (which comes with the printer). Yes, it 
seems to block the draining of the right-side ink cartridges, but whatever amount is drained, 
Epson's web site says 80-117 ml in ink is used in the process. At about $85 per 220ml cart 
at atlex.com this comes to about $40 per ink change. Not bad really. 

The whole chip/swap thing was too intense for me. And now I realize that swapping a matte 
cart in place of the empty gloss cart was just wishful thinking on my part.

This is only my second ink swap since buying the 4800 about 18 months ago and I've been 
judicious with my printin; the time was right to switch black ink types.

So the deed is done, and again I thank you all for the discussion. However, I must say that I 
am contemplating that new 3800!