Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I have been using Hawk Mountain Sparrowhawk for the last couple of months and have found it a good weight and gives good results (with the exception of large black areas which have a slight problem like EEM does with holding the black ink - this is rarely a problem however).

Having just printed a portrait job with this paper, with good results, I've just picked up a piece of the paper that was on my desk for at least two or three weeks and saw slight discolouration around the edges.

This is a worry - I had thought that, seeing it's acid and lignin-free, it would be very stable.

I've ordered some rolls of PremierArt Premium Matte but had stuck with the Sparrowhawk for A4 rather than PremierArt Letter size, because I prefer that aspect ratio, which fits a 35mm frame perfectly.

Maybe I'll just have to compromise and start using the PremierArt at Letter size. Not big enough for a 6mb D70 image though.

Has anyone else had similar experiences?

thanks,
Richard
--
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http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

   "Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment 
   for economists."
   --John Kenneth Galbraith

What else was on your desk with it or around it? 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

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http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Smallfield
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:00 PM
To: Digital BW Print
Subject: [Digital BW] Hawk Mountain Sparrowhawk yellowing?

 

Hi,
I have been using Hawk Mountain Sparrowhawk for the last couple of months
and have found it a good weight and gives good results (with the exception
of large black areas which have a slight problem like EEM does with holding
the black ink - this is rarely a problem however).

Having just printed a portrait job with this paper, with good results, I've
just picked up a piece of the paper that was on my desk for at least two or
three weeks and saw slight discolouration around the edges.

This is a worry - I had thought that, seeing it's acid and lignin-free, it
would be very stable.

I've ordered some rolls of PremierArt Premium Matte but had stuck with the
Sparrowhawk for A4 rather than PremierArt Letter size, because I prefer that
aspect ratio, which fits a 35mm frame perfectly.

Maybe I'll just have to compromise and start using the PremierArt at Letter
size. Not big enough for a 6mb D70 image though.

Has anyone else had similar experiences?

thanks,
Richard
--
http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com> vze.com
http://photos. <http://photos.smallfield.vze.com> smallfield.vze.com (Photos
web site)
http://warkworth. <http://warkworth.vze.com/> vze.com/ (Warkworth photo
essay)
http://picasaweb. <http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/>
google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

"Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment 
for economists."
--John Kenneth Galbraith

 



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At 01:17 PM Wednesday 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>What else was on your desk with it or around it? 

I could send you a photo but it wouldn't get posted on the list! Um .... it was wedged between the Epson printer and film scanner with bits of proofing paper.

Most surprising at any rate. I'll have to do a test by taping some to the inside of the window. I'll let you know the results.

Bear in mind that here in New Zealand papers seem to yellow faster due to high uv.

Rich

--
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

   "Programming is an endless race between the software engineer, 
   who seeks to design increasingly idiot-proof code, and the Universe,
   which strives to produce even bigger idiots."
   --anon

Richard Smallfield wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been using Hawk Mountain Sparrowhawk for the last couple of months and have found it a good weight and gives good results (with the exception of large black areas which have a slight problem like EEM does with holding the black ink - this is rarely a problem however).
>
> Having just printed a portrait job with this paper, with good results, I've just picked up a piece of the paper that was on my desk for at least two or three weeks and saw slight discolouration around the edges.
>
> This is a worry - I had thought that, seeing it's acid and lignin-free, it would be very stable.
>   
I suspect that it is very stable in a stable environment. But no paper 
product is immune to the effects of an unstable environment.

Most any fine art paper will act almost like a sponge to environmental 
pollution which includes picking up acids and contaminates from your 
desk, other papers (particularly newsprint), cardboards, ozone and smoke 
from the air, etc. Odds are good then that you've contaminated your 
paper, and it's showing the effects of this mistreatment.

When I worked at a newspaper I saw first hand the effects of leaving 
fiber-based photopaper laying on newsprint for a day meant to the print. 
It's not just fine art papers that react this way to the environment.
--
Bruce Watson

Richard, I don't think that leaving it near the scanner is a good idea
either, that is if it's used at all and powered on. When you say high UV ,
I don't know if there is standard UV rating. Here in the states we use a
1-14 scale. High to me is 11, like when I lived in Taos, NM at 7000 ft
elevation. Getting a sunburn while reading the morning newspaper was quite a
shock since I could just about sit out all day in San Francisco and not
worry about a burn : ) 

 

Eric

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Smallfield
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:42 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Hawk Mountain Sparrowhawk yellowing?

 

At 01:17 PM Wednesday 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>What else was on your desk with it or around it? 

I could send you a photo but it wouldn't get posted on the list! Um .... it
was wedged between the Epson printer and film scanner with bits of proofing
paper.

Most surprising at any rate. I'll have to do a test by taping some to the
inside of the window. I'll let you know the results.

Bear in mind that here in New Zealand papers seem to yellow faster due to
high uv.

Rich

--
http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com> vze.com
http://photos. <http://photos.smallfield.vze.com> smallfield.vze.com (Photos
web site)
http://warkworth. <http://warkworth.vze.com/> vze.com/ (Warkworth photo
essay)
http://picasaweb. <http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/>
google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

"Programming is an endless race between the software engineer, 
who seeks to design increasingly idiot-proof code, and the Universe,
which strives to produce even bigger idiots."
--anon

 



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Sounds like the same problem as EEM's, resulting from rapid loss of
whiteners, rather than environmental factors. Inkjet papers aren't as
extremely hydroscopic (inclined to absorb) as newsprint, book paper,
watercolor paper etc so aren't as vulnurable to environmental factors
as other papers. 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have been using Hawk Mountain Sparrowhawk for the last couple of
months and have found it a good weight and gives good results (with
the exception of large black areas which have a slight problem like
EEM does with holding the black ink - this is rarely a problem however).
> 
> Having just printed a portrait job with this paper, with good
results, I've just picked up a piece of the paper that was on my desk
for at least two or three weeks and saw slight discolouration around
the edges.
> 
> This is a worry - I had thought that, seeing it's acid and
lignin-free, it would be very stable.
> 
> I've ordered some rolls of PremierArt Premium Matte but had stuck
with the Sparrowhawk for A4 rather than PremierArt Letter size,
because I prefer that aspect ratio, which fits a 35mm frame perfectly.
> 
> Maybe I'll just have to compromise and start using the PremierArt at
Letter size. Not big enough for a 6mb D70 image though.

> 
> Has anyone else had similar experiences?
> 
> thanks,
> Richard
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
> http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
> http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 
> 
>    "Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment 
>    for economists."
>    --John Kenneth Galbraith
>

At 03:13 AM Thursday 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>Sounds like the same problem as EEM's, resulting from rapid loss of
>whiteners, rather than environmental factors.

It was around the edges that I noticed it - the areas exposed to the light.

It is classified as an archival paper though, which was why I started using it.

thanks for your input everyone,
Richard 
--
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

   "We seem to have a compulsion these days to bury time 
   capsules in order to give those people living in the next 
   century or so some idea of what we are like.  I have prepared 
   one of my own.  I have placed some rather large samples of 
   dynamite, gunpowder, and nitroglycerin.  My time capsule is 
   set to go off in the year 3000.  It will show them what we are 
   really like."
   --Alfred Hitchcock

I doubt the "archival" nature of any bright white paper, but so far
the two alpha-cellulose (not cotton) bright whites that I've used have
avoided yellowing and are just as bright as EEM. One is Moab Kayenta
and the other is the house brand from inkjetart.com Both are double
sided and very cheap. I like Kayenta especially in 11X17 where the
slight grain is less obvious. Both are marketed as "proofing papers"
for more expensive alternatives.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> At 03:13 AM Thursday 4/5/2007, you wrote:
> >Sounds like the same problem as EEM's, resulting from rapid loss of
> >whiteners, rather than environmental factors.
> 
> It was around the edges that I noticed it - the areas exposed to the
light.
> 
> It is classified as an archival paper though, which was why I
started using it.

> 
> thanks for your input everyone,
> Richard 
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
> http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
> http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 
> 
>    "We seem to have a compulsion these days to bury time 
>    capsules in order to give those people living in the next 
>    century or so some idea of what we are like.  I have prepared 
>    one of my own.  I have placed some rather large samples of 
>    dynamite, gunpowder, and nitroglycerin.  My time capsule is 
>    set to go off in the year 3000.  It will show them what we are 
>    really like."
>    --Alfred Hitchcock
>