Digital BW, The Print

How many companies out there make greyscale inks (meaning all color
cartridges are replaced with a grey toned ink of varying strength)? I
know inksupply makes one called UT3D and maybe an eboni version and
Cone's neutral K7 (which I am not certain works for the r2400). I am
not certain which other companies (budget or named brand) makes these
greyscale inks for the r2400. Please list as many as known as I want
to try a few to see which I am happiest with.

On a separate note, does anyone know of a company that makes a CIS for
the HP stylus 8750 13x19 inkjet printer?

one more that I know of-

http://mediastreet.com/site/generations_gq.html

extraordinarily badly redesigned website, hadn't been there in a
while, but them I'm an old guy...
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "flynnd69"
<flynnd69@...> wrote:

>
> How many companies out there make greyscale inks (meaning all color
> cartridges are replaced with a grey toned ink of varying strength)? I
> know inksupply makes one called UT3D and maybe an eboni version and
> Cone's neutral K7 (which I am not certain works for the r2400). I am
> not certain which other companies (budget or named brand) makes these
> greyscale inks for the r2400. Please list as many as known as I want
> to try a few to see which I am happiest with.
> 
> On a separate note, does anyone know of a company that makes a CIS for
> the HP stylus 8750 13x19 inkjet printer?
>

Has anybody used the MediaStreet GQ2 inks?

I asked about them over in the QTR group and a gentleman by the name of
Richard Wolfson answered saying, "Tom, I'm sorry I haven't posted much about
GQ2 sooner; I've been waiting for Media Street to get it into production. I
designed GQ2 for them months ago, and this week I finally got some inks they
made so I could run final tests. They're perfect.

Briefly, GQ2 includes two blacks, four grays, and a gloss optimizer.

One prints with matte black or photo black neutral, depending on the paper.
There are two warm grays, dark and light, and two cool grays, dark and
light. And the gloss optimizer goes on reflective papers in light areas so
the reflection is the same everywhere. Profiles let Roy's QuadTone RIP print
these inks cold, warm, neutral, platinum, and more.

I'll try to make more details available next week."

That was on May 30.  It sounds like they aren't available yet they seem to
be for sale at their site.

Tom Husband



On 6/2/07, Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote:
>
> one more that I know of-
>
> http://mediastreet.com/site/generations_gq.html
>
> extraordinarily badly redesigned website, hadn't been there in a
> while, but them I'm an old guy...
> Tyler
>


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A little further digging and I came up with Richard Wolfson's site where he
talks about the GQ2 ink.

http://www.richardwolfson.com/quadblack/

Tom Husband

On 6/2/07, Tom Husband <tom.husband@...> wrote:
>
> Has anybody used the MediaStreet GQ2 inks?
>
> I asked about them over in the QTR group and a gentleman by the name of
> Richard Wolfson answered saying, "Tom, I'm sorry I haven't posted much about
> GQ2 sooner; I've been waiting for Media Street to get it into production. I
> designed GQ2 for them months ago, and this week I finally got some inks they
> made so I could run final tests. They're perfect.
>
> Briefly, GQ2 includes two blacks, four grays, and a gloss optimizer.
>
> One prints with matte black or photo black neutral, depending on the
> paper. There are two warm grays, dark and light, and two cool grays, dark
> and light. And the gloss optimizer goes on reflective papers in light areas
> so the reflection is the same everywhere. Profiles let Roy's QuadTone RIP
> print these inks cold, warm, neutral, platinum, and more.
>
> I'll try to make more details available next week."
>
> That was on May 30.  It sounds like they aren't available yet they seem to
> be for sale at their site.
>
> Tom Husband
>
>
>
> On 6/2/07, Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote:
> >
> > one more that I know of-
> >
> > http://mediastreet.com/site/generations_gq.html
> >
> > extraordinarily badly redesigned website, hadn't been there in a
> > while, but them I'm an old guy...
> > Tyler
> >
>
>


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>How many companies out there make greyscale inks 
>(meaning all color cartridges are replaced with 
>a grey toned ink of varying strength)? 

>I know inksupply makes one called UT3D ...

It does not manually profile well with the Epson driver.  The LLK and LK
interfere too much.  PFP (for neutral) and QTR will be fine with it.

I found just replacing the yellow with a gray ink (MIS EZ-W, even chip
compatible [amazingly]) worked so well there was not much reason to do more,
but it will have the color dots under a loupe.  On the other hand, I doubt
there is any significant difference between color inks that are separate as
opposed to those that are mixed into the inks.  The difference in my fade
tests was so little that is was probably below the expected noise level --
i.e., not significant.

>and maybe an eboni version 

No, at least I've recommended they not try that.  The multi-channel Eboni
needs 1.5 pl dots to work at what I consider "photo quality."  The k3
printers use large dots.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com