Digital BW, The Print

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
CorrPro96@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:40 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Print contact with glazing material?

 


In a message dated 6/6/2007 9:47:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
e1-fyc7-7hww- <mailto:e1-fyc7-7hww-c9sn%40emailias.com> c9sn@...
writes:

In Amadou Diallo's excellent book (p. 311), the statement is made "No
matter which material you choose, it is important that the print does
not come into direct contact with the glazing."

Assuming that the print has dried for perhaps a week before framing,
why is it important that the print not touch the glazing material?

Because it might stick to it. The mat is supposed to provide the space 
between the glass and the print.

Richard (Brooklyn).

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On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Eric Neilsen Photo wrote:

> Putting any paper print against glass/glazing that has any chance of
> sticking is a bad idea. What would make it stick? Coatings, carrier  
> that
> hasn't completely dried, etc.  You are looking at a material that  
> has the
> ability to absorb moisture and in so doing allowing the material in  
> the
> paper, on the paper to bond to the glass. Why take the risk?
>
>
>
> I have a fish tank in the kitchen that I made a quick background  
> for with my
> 4800 on some Polar Matte from Red River. The tank will leak over  
> the top due
> to the bubbler. A small build up of moisture in the back near the  
> bottom,
> not only warped the paper but actually dissolved it. This is  
> extreme and
> used to illustrate that paper and ink is not a solid object like a  
> stone,
> bronze, etc. It will breathe a little and it is simply not a good  
> idea to
> put it in a position to lay against a smooth flat surface under  
> even the
> lightest of pressure.

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Schofield
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:18 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Print contact with glazing material?

 

Face mounting is of course the exception to this notion and is quite 
beautiful and stable when done properly using appropriate paper, 
archival adhesives, and backing.

On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Eric Neilsen Photo wrote:

> Putting any paper print against glass/glazing that has any chance of
> sticking is a bad idea. What would make it stick? Coatings, carrier 
> that
> hasn't completely dried, etc. You are looking at a material that 
> has the
> ability to absorb moisture and in so doing allowing the material in 
> the
> paper, on the paper to bond to the glass. Why take the risk?
>
>
>
> I have a fish tank in the kitchen that I made a quick background 
> for with my
> 4800 on some Polar Matte from Red River. The tank will leak over 
> the top due
> to the bubbler. A small build up of moisture in the back near the 
> bottom,
> not only warped the paper but actually dissolved it. This is 
> extreme and
> used to illustrate that paper and ink is not a solid object like a 
> stone,
> bronze, etc. It will breathe a little and it is simply not a good 
> idea to
> put it in a position to lay against a smooth flat surface under 
> even the
> lightest of pressure.

 



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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
antoinedese
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:24 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Print contact with glazing material?

 

Perhaps I should have been more specific with my original question.
For some prints I favor printing on a paper the full size of the
frame, the image itself being somewhat smaller and outlined with a
very narrow border, creating an illusion of depth. In PS terms, the
canvas is bigger than the image, the exposed edges of the canvas being
a pseudo-mat. Being something of a novice (obviously!) it seemed this
could be accomplished by simply dropping the print into the frame sans
mat, but this of course puts the print in direct contact with the glass.

Given that context, what is the best way to accomplish what I'm after?

Also, would someone care to briefly explain 'face mounting' as used
earlier in this thread?

Many thanks...

 



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>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: antoinedese <e1-fyc7-7hww-c9sn@...>
>  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Print contact with glazing material?
>  Sent: 06 Jun '07 17:24
>  
>  Perhaps I should have been more specific with my original question.
>  For some prints I favor printing on a paper the full size of the
>  frame, the image itself being somewhat smaller and outlined with a
>  very narrow border, creating an illusion of depth. In PS terms, the
>  canvas is bigger than the image, the exposed edges of the canvas being
>  a pseudo-mat. Being something of a novice (obviously!) it seemed this
>  could be accomplished by simply dropping the print into the frame sans
>  mat, but this of course puts the print in direct contact with the glass.
>  
>  Given that context, what is the best way to accomplish what I'm after?
>  
>  Also, would someone care to briefly explain 'face mounting' as used
>  earlier in this thread?
>  
>  Many thanks...