Digital BW, The Print

In Amadou Diallo's book, and other places, I have read that if you use 
an empty adjustment layer with a blending mode change, the file size 
will not grow.  When I try to do this, my file size grows like with any 
other adjustment layer.  I open a new adjustment layer (usually curve) 
and OK it without any changes made.   At this point, the file size has 
grown.  What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Peter

Peter, I've just started reading Diallo's book but I tried your description
of the procedure > new layer > new blending mode > twice! >< and in my case
the PSD image didn't change size. Started out at 284 megs and after 2
additional adjustment layers with different blending curves on each and the
results is still 284 megs.

 

Sorry, don't know what we're doing differently but something is different.

 

Alan

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zonepeter
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:36 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Layers and BLending Modes

 

In Amadou Diallo's book, and other places, I have read that if you use 
an empty adjustment layer with a blending mode change, the file size 
will not grow. When I try to do this, my file size grows like with any 
other adjustment layer. I open a new adjustment layer (usually curve) 
and OK it without any changes made. At this point, the file size has 
grown. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Peter

 



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are you using a mask?
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Kearney"
<alan_kearney@...> wrote:
>
> Peter, I've just started reading Diallo's book but I tried your
description
> of the procedure > new layer > new blending mode > twice! >< and in
my case
> the PSD image didn't change size. Started out at 284 megs and after 2
> additional adjustment layers with different blending curves on each
and the
> results is still 284 megs.
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry, don't know what we're doing differently but something is
different.
> 
>  
> 
> Alan
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
zonepeter

> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:36 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Layers and BLending Modes
> 
>  
> 
> In Amadou Diallo's book, and other places, I have read that if you use 
> an empty adjustment layer with a blending mode change, the file size 
> will not grow. When I try to do this, my file size grows like with any 
> other adjustment layer. I open a new adjustment layer (usually curve) 
> and OK it without any changes made. At this point, the file size has 
> grown. What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Alan and Tyler,

Thanks for the replies.  I am still befuddled by this.  On most of my 
files (all tiffs) when I add an adjustment layer it increases the 
file size by about 3x.  I am not using masks on these file.  If I 
delete the mask from the channels tab, the file size goes down a bit, 
but not to the original file size. Every once and a while I'll try it 
on a different file and it works fine.  This is using the exact same 
procedure.  I have tried using the adjustment layer icon on the layer 
tab and the add layer from the menu.  No difference.   I'm sure I am 
just doing something stupid, but can't figure out what.

Thanks again for any help.

Peter

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@...> wrote:
>
> are you using a mask?
> Tyler
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Kearney"
> <alan_kearney@> wrote:
> >
> > Peter, I've just started reading Diallo's book but I tried your
> description
> > of the procedure > new layer > new blending mode > twice! >< and 
in
> my case
> > the PSD image didn't change size. Started out at 284 megs and 
after 2
> > additional adjustment layers with different blending curves on 
each
> and the
> > results is still 284 megs.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sorry, don't know what we're doing differently but something is
> different.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Alan
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> zonepeter
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:36 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Layers and BLending Modes
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > In Amadou Diallo's book, and other places, I have read that if 
you use 
> > an empty adjustment layer with a blending mode change, the file 
size 
> > will not grow. When I try to do this, my file size grows like 
with any 
> > other adjustment layer. I open a new adjustment layer (usually 
curve) 
> > and OK it without any changes made. At this point, the file size 
has 

> > grown. What am I doing wrong?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Peter
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Peter, sorry but I confess to being befuddled as well.
My file size does not increase until pixel info is added to the mask.
I'll keep my eye on it for a while to see if some situation chenges
that behavior, but a quick test just confirmed it, both 8 and 16 bit.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "zonepeter"
<zonepeter@...> wrote:

>
> Alan and Tyler,
> 
> Thanks for the replies.  I am still befuddled by this.  On most of my 
> files (all tiffs) when I add an adjustment layer it increases the 
> file size by about 3x.  I am not using masks on these file.  If I 
> delete the mask from the channels tab, the file size goes down a bit, 
> but not to the original file size. Every once and a while I'll try it 
> on a different file and it works fine.  This is using the exact same 
> procedure.  I have tried using the adjustment layer icon on the layer 
> tab and the add layer from the menu.  No difference.   I'm sure I am 
> just doing something stupid, but can't figure out what.
> 
> Thanks again for any help.
> 
> Peter
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
> <tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > are you using a mask?
> > Tyler
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Kearney"
> > <alan_kearney@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter, I've just started reading Diallo's book but I tried your
> > description
> > > of the procedure > new layer > new blending mode > twice! >< and 
> in
> > my case
> > > the PSD image didn't change size. Started out at 284 megs and 
> after 2
> > > additional adjustment layers with different blending curves on 
> each
> > and the
> > > results is still 284 megs.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Sorry, don't know what we're doing differently but something is
> > different.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Alan
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   _____  
> > > 
> > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > zonepeter
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:36 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Layers and BLending Modes
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > In Amadou Diallo's book, and other places, I have read that if 
> you use 
> > > an empty adjustment layer with a blending mode change, the file 
> size 
> > > will not grow. When I try to do this, my file size grows like 
> with any 
> > > other adjustment layer. I open a new adjustment layer (usually 
> curve) 
> > > and OK it without any changes made. At this point, the file size 
> has 
> > > grown. What am I doing wrong?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Peter
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Peter,

 

I think the misunderstanding may be that you are referring to TIF files and
Alan was talking about PSD files.  They act differently.  I just confirmed
this with my own files.  I've been experimenting with QTR and have some
images in both TIF and PSD formats.  I used the same image and added an
adjustment layer using both formats.  The TIF file did increase in size
almost 3 times, but the PSD file stayed the same size.  I used the same
procedure and adjustment layer on both file formats.

 

Stan

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zonepeter
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:19 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Layers and BLending Modes

 

Alan and Tyler,

Thanks for the replies. I am still befuddled by this. On most of my 
files (all tiffs) when I add an adjustment layer it increases the 
file size by about 3x. I am not using masks on these file. If I 
delete the mask from the channels tab, the file size goes down a bit, 
but not to the original file size. Every once and a while I'll try it 
on a different file and it works fine. This is using the exact same 
procedure. I have tried using the adjustment layer icon on the layer 
tab and the add layer from the menu. No difference. I'm sure I am 
just doing something stupid, but can't figure out what.

Thanks again for any help.

Peter





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You probably already know this but it makes a difference if you have
"Maximize PSD Compatibility" set. If it is set, whenever you have a layered
file, it saves the layered file and also a flattened version of the file. So
if you have a flat file and add one adjustment layer, that in itself adds
almost nothing to the files size, but the added flattened file will
approximately double the file size. If you add a third adjustment layer the
size will hardly change at all.

 

Steve



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