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Repurposing QTR Profiles

Repurposing QTR Profiles

2007-11-05 by Louis Dina

I'm sure people have tried this, perhaps succesfully and I thought I'd 
ask before I spend a lot of time on it.  No sense reinventing the wheel.

I have some great QTR profiles for my 2200 using UC color inks.  I want 
to build the same sets of profiles for my 4000 using the same inks, but 
of course, the 4000 has different ink limits.  The profiles on both 
printers will be based on the same printing parameters (2880 dpi, 
unidirectional, ordered).  I was wondering if I can simply open the 
2200 profile, rename it for my 4000, and simply reset the total ink 
limit and relinearize for the 4000.  I am assuning that the 
relationships between the inks would be the same percentage wise from 
the 2200 to the 4000.  Will this method generate good profiles, or is 
it necessary to start from scratch to get excellent profiles?  

If such a method does work, how do people do it?  I was thinking of 
determining the Black ink limit conventionally, plugging the new limit 
into the repurposed profile, removing the linearization information, 
and reprinting a target for final linearization.  

Thoughts, cautions, results?

Thanks, as always.  

Lou Dina

RE: [Digital BW] Repurposing QTR Profiles

2007-11-05 by Paul Roark

Hi Lou,

>I have some great QTR profiles for my 2200 using UC color inks. 
>I want to build the same sets of profiles for my 4000 using the 
>same inks, but of course, the 4000 has different ink limits. 
>The profiles on both printers will be based on the same printing 
>parameters (2880 dpi, unidirectional, ordered). 
>I was wondering if I can simply open the 
>2200 profile, rename it for my 4000,

Go into the files and change or remove the printer name inside the file.  I
use Notepad to open the files.

> and simply reset the total ink limit and relinearize for the 4000. 
>I am assuming that the relationships between the inks would be the 
>same percentage wise from the 2200 to the 4000. 

Yes, my experience is that profiles are much more portable with QTR than
with the Epson driver.

> I was thinking of determining the Black ink limit conventionally, 
> plugging the new limit into the repurposed profile, removing 
>the linearization information, and reprinting a target for 
>final linearization. 

That sounds like an efficient way to do it.  Let us know how it works.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: Repurposing QTR Profiles

2007-11-06 by Roy Harrington

Hi Lou,

Moving profiles from the 2200 to 4000 with the same UC inks should be
very doable.   As you say just copy the files over from the 2200 folder to
the 4000 folder.   The main difference will be the ink limits.  If your profiles
are for 2880dpi then they just use single smallest dropsize.  2200 is spec'd
at 4pl and the 4000 at 3.5pl -- then figure 4/3.5 = 1.143 so just multiply all
the ink limits by 1.143 and you ought to be very close.  You may want minor
tweaks.  Then re-linearize and I bet you'll be quite satisfied.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lou@...> 
wrote:
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>
> I'm sure people have tried this, perhaps succesfully and I thought I'd 
> ask before I spend a lot of time on it.  No sense reinventing the wheel.
> 
> I have some great QTR profiles for my 2200 using UC color inks.  I want 
> to build the same sets of profiles for my 4000 using the same inks, but 
> of course, the 4000 has different ink limits.  The profiles on both 
> printers will be based on the same printing parameters (2880 dpi, 
> unidirectional, ordered).  I was wondering if I can simply open the 
> 2200 profile, rename it for my 4000, and simply reset the total ink 
> limit and relinearize for the 4000.  I am assuning that the 
> relationships between the inks would be the same percentage wise from 
> the 2200 to the 4000.  Will this method generate good profiles, or is 
> it necessary to start from scratch to get excellent profiles?  
> 
> If such a method does work, how do people do it?  I was thinking of 
> determining the Black ink limit conventionally, plugging the new limit 
> into the repurposed profile, removing the linearization information, 
> and reprinting a target for final linearization.  
> 
> Thoughts, cautions, results?
> 
> Thanks, as always.  
> 
> Lou Dina
>

Re: [Digital BW] Repurposing QTR Profiles

2007-11-06 by Louis Dina

Thanks, Paul.  

I kind of thought it might work like that.  Here is some feedback on 
my first attempt.

I created a new 'neutral' profile for my 4000 using a previously 
created 2200 profile.  I used 2880 dpi, unidirectional printing, and 
the Ordered algorithm for both.  This particular profile uses MISPro 
inks (UC clones) PK, LK, LC and LM, so it may not be of interest to 
people who wish to avoid colored inks.  

I printed your new 21 step grayscale using ONLY the PK ink, and QTR 
Plot List coordinates of 0,0 and 100,100, which gives linear (not 
linearized) output.  Linearization data was removed from this test 
profile and ink limit was set to 100.  (I could also have used the 
Calibration target, which prints all 7 inks, but went this route 
instead since I only cared about the PK ink for setting Dmax).  The 
ramp showed a Dmax at 70%.

So, I plugged 70 into the default ink limit of my original 2200 
profile, saved it as a 4000 profile in my 4000 folder, and printed 
the same grayscale with it.  The profile looked great and was pretty 
neutral, but I had set the ink limit a bit too high (as I often do 
trying to get the absolute best Dmax) and the last two patches read 
almost exactly the same.  Too much ink.  So, I lowered the ink limit 
to 60% and set the black boost to 70% for a little kick at the dark 
end and got a really good test print, which I then read and 
linearized.  

I made a print with it and it looks great.  

So, this procedure worked fine for repurposing a 2200 profile to my 
4000 using the same inkset.  This will save a LOT of time since I 
already have good profiles for my 2200 on a number of papers.  

Thanks for the help, as always.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lou,
> 
> >I have some great QTR profiles for my 2200 using UC color inks. 
> >I want to build the same sets of profiles for my 4000 using the 
> >same inks, but of course, the 4000 has different ink limits. 
> >The profiles on both printers will be based on the same printing 
> >parameters (2880 dpi, unidirectional, ordered). 
> >I was wondering if I can simply open the 
> >2200 profile, rename it for my 4000,
> 
> Go into the files and change or remove the printer name inside the 
file.  I
> use Notepad to open the files.
> 
> > and simply reset the total ink limit and relinearize for the 
4000. 
> >I am assuming that the relationships between the inks would be the 
> >same percentage wise from the 2200 to the 4000. 
> 
> Yes, my experience is that profiles are much more portable with QTR 
than
> with the Epson driver.
> 
> > I was thinking of determining the Black ink limit conventionally, 
> > plugging the new limit into the repurposed profile, removing 
> >the linearization information, and reprinting a target for 
> >final linearization. 
> 
> That sounds like an efficient way to do it.  Let us know how it 
works.
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> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: Repurposing QTR Profiles

2007-11-06 by Louis Dina

Thanks, Roy. I answered Paul just before your message popped up. 
Interesting about the 4/3.5 pl relationship.  I never thought about 
it, but it makes sense.  I'll compare my two profiles to see how that 
relationship held up.  

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" 
<roy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lou,
> 
> Moving profiles from the 2200 to 4000 with the same UC inks should 
be
> very doable.   As you say just copy the files over from the 2200 
folder to
> the 4000 folder.   The main difference will be the ink limits.  If 
your profiles
> are for 2880dpi then they just use single smallest dropsize.  2200 
is spec'd
> at 4pl and the 4000 at 3.5pl -- then figure 4/3.5 = 1.143 so just 
multiply all
> the ink limits by 1.143 and you ought to be very close.  You may 
want minor
> tweaks.  Then re-linearize and I bet you'll be quite satisfied.
> 
> Roy
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
<lou@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure people have tried this, perhaps succesfully and I 
thought I'd 
> > ask before I spend a lot of time on it.  No sense reinventing the 
wheel.
> > 
> > I have some great QTR profiles for my 2200 using UC color inks.  
I want 
> > to build the same sets of profiles for my 4000 using the same 
inks, but 
> > of course, the 4000 has different ink limits.  The profiles on 
both 
> > printers will be based on the same printing parameters (2880 dpi, 
> > unidirectional, ordered).  I was wondering if I can simply open 
the 
> > 2200 profile, rename it for my 4000, and simply reset the total 
ink 
> > limit and relinearize for the 4000.  I am assuning that the 
> > relationships between the inks would be the same percentage wise 
from 
> > the 2200 to the 4000.  Will this method generate good profiles, 
or is 
> > it necessary to start from scratch to get excellent profiles?  
> > 
> > If such a method does work, how do people do it?  I was thinking 
of 
> > determining the Black ink limit conventionally, plugging the new 
limit 
> > into the repurposed profile, removing the linearization 
information, 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > and reprinting a target for final linearization.  
> > 
> > Thoughts, cautions, results?
> > 
> > Thanks, as always.  
> > 
> > Lou Dina
> >
>

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