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2008-01-04 by garyphoto6
Hello, I tried Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and the images looked very nice but the paper surface seems to be very soft and very easily marked. I also found I could rub the black image off onto another piece of paper with a little rubbing pressure. I am using a 3800 with K3 ink glossy black. Has anyone else tried this paper and had any issues of scratching or image durability? Gary W.
2008-01-04 by Michael King
Yes I find the surface scratches easily. As to rubbing the image off, I just tested it against a few other glossy papers and I find its no worse than Harman or Ilford. That aside it makes great prints. Mike On 04/01/2008, garyphoto6 <gcwagner@...> wrote: > > Hello, > I tried Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and the images looked very nice but the > paper surface seems to be very soft and very easily marked. I also > found I could rub the black image off onto another piece of paper with > a little rubbing pressure. I am using a 3800 with K3 ink glossy black. > Has anyone else tried this paper and had any issues of scratching or > image durability? > Gary W. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-05 by CorrPro96@aol.com
Not with my 4800 with K3 PK inks. Perhaps your inks needed more drying time. Richard Massie In a message dated 1/3/2008 11:10:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gcwagner@... writes: Hello, I tried Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and the images looked very nice but the paper surface seems to be very soft and very easily marked. I also found I could rub the black image off onto another piece of paper with a little rubbing pressure. I am using a 3800 with K3 ink glossy black. Has anyone else tried this paper and had any issues of scratching or image durability? Gary W. Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS ” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-05 by donbga
Hello Everyone, I'm reticent to bring up an old complaint but could everyone be cognizant about clipping their posts to the list? Thanks, Don Bryant
2008-01-05 by Tyler Boley
No problems here but every since we had to adjust to the flaking problem when we started using inkjets I've handled any ink print much more carefully than any traditional print. This paper does need some dry time though. I'm still extremely enthusiatic about this paper though, for a "photo" paper. I've been testing and profiling a number of these new paper here the last several weeks and this one still comes out on top for my tastes. The new Epson really does seem to be the Innova as reported, the color measures the same, the profles, the gloss differential is identical, other than a bit more thickness they are exactly the same. The Harman was just a bit too RC looking for me, and the new Hahnamule baryta, while really impressive from an image presentation standoint, just has too much texture. And they all still have gloss differential off an Epson. Anyway, you do have to treat these prints with care. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CorrPro96@... wrote: > > Not with my 4800 with K3 PK inks. Perhaps your inks needed more drying time.
> > Richard Massie > > > In a message dated 1/3/2008 11:10:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gcwagner@... writes: > > Hello, > I tried Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and the images looked very nice but the > paper surface seems to be very soft and very easily marked. I also > found I could rub the black image off onto another piece of paper with > a little rubbing pressure. I am using a 3800 with K3 ink glossy black. > Has anyone else tried this paper and had any issues of scratching or > image durability? > Gary W. > >
2008-01-05 by gcwagner
Richard, I let it dry 48 hours or more and it still is very sensitive compared to matte prints. If you have a test print could you try just rubbing your finger nail across a dark area and see if it leaves a mark? I am printing only in BW and using the IGFS paper with my 3800 and the tones are some of the best I have seen but the softness of the ink on the paper or that it is not absorbed into the paper concerns me. I have not been spraying my prints and was hoping I would not need to in the future. I read the review about this paper on Luminous Landscape and was hoping that this would be the one I would be using for most of my digital work. Thanks, Gary Wagner Not with my 4800 with K3 PK inks. Perhaps your inks needed more drying time. Richard Massie . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-05 by Dana H. Myers
gcwagner wrote: > > > Richard, > I let it dry 48 hours or more and it still is very sensitive compared to > matte prints. If you have a test print could you try just rubbing your > finger nail across a dark area and see if it leaves a mark? I've had no problem with prints on K3/Gold Fibre Silk being easy to mar in normal handling (including stacking with other prints, etc.), but I can indeed scratch the darker areas with a nail. That doesn't seem very meaningful to me, though - that seems to be pretty abusive of any print :-) Dana
2008-01-05 by Carl Schofield
I've been using Ilford Gold Silk without problems in both an Epson 4000 and R1800. Surface doesn't appear to be any more sensitive to abrasion than other PK papers, which are generally tougher than matte papers. Are you getting ink cross contamination (MK/PK)? Carl Schofield http://photos.schophoto.com On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Dana H. Myers wrote: > gcwagner wrote: >> >> >> Richard, >> I let it dry 48 hours or more and it still is very sensitive >> compared to >> matte prints. If you have a test print could you try just rubbing >> your >> finger nail across a dark area and see if it leaves a mark? > > I've had no problem with prints on K3/Gold Fibre Silk being > easy to mar in normal handling (including stacking with other > prints, etc.), but I can indeed scratch the darker areas with > a nail. That doesn't seem very meaningful to me, though - that > seems to be pretty abusive of any print :-) > > Dana > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-05 by CorrPro96@aol.com
In a message dated 1/5/2008 10:10:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gcwagner@... writes: Richard, I let it dry 48 hours or more and it still is very sensitive compared to matte prints. If you have a test print could you try just rubbing your finger nail across a dark area and see if it leaves a mark? Why would I want to do that? It would likely leave a mark on the surface of the paper or the coating on the paper. I rubbed with the pad of my finger and there was no effect at all. I would expect to see some damage to the print surface if I used my fingernail. I checked a 13 x 19 print on Gold Silk and there is no problem with ink smear, or flaking. If you are using K 3 inks, did you shake the cartridges to mix the pigments? There should not be any rub-off of those inks after they have dried. Richard Massie **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-05 by gcwagner
Thanks for everyone's thought on the issue of print surface durability. Maybe I was expecting to much. Gary Wagner
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of CorrPro96@... Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:52 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ilford Gold Fibre Silk - Surface? Why would I want to do that? It would likely leave a mark on the surface of the paper or the coating on the paper. I rubbed with the pad of my finger and there was no effect at all. I would expect to see some damage to the print surface if I used my fingernail. I checked a 13 x 19 print on Gold Silk and there is no problem with ink smear, or flaking. If you are using K 3 inks, did you shake the cartridges to mix the pigments? There should not be any rub-off of those inks after they have dried. Richard Massie . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-10 by ex0cute
Carl, I printed on Ilford Gild silk for the first time last night using your 3-PK curve with Quadtone RIP on an Epson R1800. The prints look outstanding however I am seeing microbanding in the smooth midtones. Did you experience this on your R1800 and do you have any suggestions to eliminate it ? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
> > I've been using Ilford Gold Silk without problems in both an Epson > 4000 and R1800. Surface doesn't appear to be any more sensitive to > abrasion than other PK papers, which are generally tougher than matte > papers. Are you getting ink cross contamination (MK/PK)? > > Carl Schofield > http://photos.schophoto.com > > > > > On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Dana H. Myers wrote: > > > gcwagner wrote: > >> > >> > >> Richard, > >> I let it dry 48 hours or more and it still is very sensitive > >> compared to > >> matte prints. If you have a test print could you try just rubbing > >> your > >> finger nail across a dark area and see if it leaves a mark? > > > > I've had no problem with prints on K3/Gold Fibre Silk being > > easy to mar in normal handling (including stacking with other > > prints, etc.), but I can indeed scratch the darker areas with > > a nail. That doesn't seem very meaningful to me, though - that > > seems to be pretty abusive of any print :-) > > > > Dana > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-01-11 by Carl Schofield
No, I don't have any microbanding in my prints. First thing to do would be a nozzle check and head cleaning if necessary. If the nozzle check is perfect then the only other thing I can think of to try is adding another ink channel with PKN to see if that will help smooth out your midtones. Carl Schofield http://photos.schophoto.com On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, ex0cute wrote: > Carl, > > I printed on Ilford Gild silk for the first time last night using your > 3-PK curve with Quadtone RIP on an Epson R1800. The prints look > outstanding however I am seeing microbanding in the smooth midtones. > Did you experience this on your R1800 and do you have any suggestions > to eliminate it ? > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield > <list@...> wrote: >> >> I've been using Ilford Gold Silk without problems in both an Epson >> 4000 and R1800. Surface doesn't appear to be any more sensitive to >> abrasion than other PK papers, which are generally tougher than matte >> papers. Are you getting ink cross contamination (MK/PK)? >> >> Carl Schofield >> http://photos.schophoto.com >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Dana H. Myers wrote: >> >>> gcwagner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard, >>>> I let it dry 48 hours or more and it still is very sensitive >>>> compared to >>>> matte prints. If you have a test print could you try just rubbing >>>> your >>>> finger nail across a dark area and see if it leaves a mark? >>> >>> I've had no problem with prints on K3/Gold Fibre Silk being >>> easy to mar in normal handling (including stacking with other >>> prints, etc.), but I can indeed scratch the darker areas with >>> a nail. That doesn't seem very meaningful to me, though - that >>> seems to be pretty abusive of any print :-) >>> >>> Dana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]