Digital BW, The Print

My experience with scanning B&W negatives has not been favorable. I 
think that I will have to go back into my darkroom and print the 
photographs that I want to convert and then scan the prints to a 
digital format. Would appreciate any suggestions regarding paper type 
and size, contrast levels, and scanner settings. I have just purchased 
a 2400 and intend to work with an 11X14 print size.

Eugene,
 
I have just had the opposite problem and now going back the other way.    In
terms of scanning my b/w prints they just seem to be much dirtier with dust
spots etc. Than my negatives and I find it easier to clean the dusty negs
more than the prints.    I also seem to get more detail with the negs.
 
Maybe I will learn something from this post as well in terms of paper etc.
It may require something different than I have been doing which is trying to
scan on the Agfa Classic.
 
Paul

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My experience with scanning B&W negatives has not been favorable. I 
think that I will have to go back into my darkroom and print the 
photographs that I want to convert and then scan the prints to a 
digital format. Would appreciate any suggestions regarding paper type 
and size, contrast levels, and scanner settings. I have just purchased 
a 2400 and intend to work with an 11X14 print size.



 



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Paul and Eugene, I have had great success with both. My first scans of my
images were done back in the mid 90"s and it was printed on Agfa Multi
Contrast Semi matte. I have also had great scans from both Imacon, drum and
from my Nikon 9000. Dust on a flatbed scan can be minimized by good house
work. High static conditions can lead to lots of dust. I am more concerned
with dynamic range and sharpness way before I worry about a little dust.
Focus is right there too. But dust is really not the problem. If you both
describe a little more in depth your issues with your scans, I am sure I or
some one else here will switch the answer on. 

 

Besides the dust what are we talking about? 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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Eugene,

I have just had the opposite problem and now going back the other way. In
terms of scanning my b/w prints they just seem to be much dirtier with dust
spots etc. Than my negatives and I find it easier to clean the dusty negs
more than the prints. I also seem to get more detail with the negs.

Maybe I will learn something from this post as well in terms of paper etc.
It may require something different than I have been doing which is trying to
scan on the Agfa Classic.

Paul

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Subject: [Digital BW] Paper Selection for Scanning

My experience with scanning B&W negatives has not been favorable. I 
think that I will have to go back into my darkroom and print the 
photographs that I want to convert and then scan the prints to a 
digital format. Would appreciate any suggestions regarding paper type 
and size, contrast levels, and scanner settings. I have just purchased 
a 2400 and intend to work with an 11X14 print size.

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On 14/02/2008 Eugene Ostreicher wrote:
> My experience with scanning B&W negatives has not been favorable

You are either using a poor scanner and/or need to refine your technique. 
A decent filmscanner and effective workflow will enable superior images 
from negatives that are near impossible to print in the darkroom, or will 
enable more complex or subtle realisation of decent negs as you have so 
much more control. It also gives an opportunity to rescue older negs that 
are now deteriorating.

This won't apply if you are just wanting adequate electronic versions, but 
if you want the best quality possible I can't recommend scanning prints 
over negs, it's an extra generation and a lost opportunity. I had 20 years 
experience of almost daily darkroom printing behind me, so was pretty good 
at it. I too scanned prints initially but eventually realised the 
shortcomings and had to start again from negatives.

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Excellence of B&W neg scanning is a matter of acquired skills and
standard technology. Your only inexpensive film scanner options are
Nikons. You should expect far better results than darkroom
printing...sharper, more tonality.

One advantage to scanning prints is that you can use Photoshop's Dust
& Scratch Filter with less risk of detail softening than if you used
it with a film scan (it works well with film scans too, if you use it
lightly). It's adjustable, with previews, so you can accurately see
the anticipated effect on the scan...

 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eugene
Ostreicher" <zetap@...> wrote:

>
> My experience with scanning B&W negatives has not been favorable. I 
> think that I will have to go back into my darkroom and print the 
> photographs that I want to convert and then scan the prints to a 
> digital format. Would appreciate any suggestions regarding paper type 
> and size, contrast levels, and scanner settings. I have just purchased 
> a 2400 and intend to work with an 11X14 print size.
>

I am having problems with bronzing of the black areas on glossy paper
using MIS inks on the Epson 220.  I have read that the bronzing on
glossy paper is a universal problem.  Is that true – especially for
the Epson 220??  (BTW, I am using Paul's ICC profile.)

I also have the Eboni black installed and I also understand that Photo
Black is for glossy papers.  Could that be the problem?  The bronzing
has occurred on 4 different glossy papers.  The mat paper on the other
hand looks great.

Many thanks.

Tom

I use the UTR2 inkset with the R220.  Be sure to use the PK ink not 
Eboni (MK).  I don't find bronzing very noticable at all with this 
inkset.  There's a bit on Epson Premium Semigloss, but very little on 
other papers.  

You might try a different paper- my recent find is Harmon FB Baryta 
AL which looks great and has incredibly deep blacks.  Use UPGPP Photo 
RPM and check super microweave.

Roger

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "TFielder" 
<tfielder@...> wrote:
>
> I am having problems with bronzing of the black areas on glossy 
paper
> using MIS inks on the Epson 220.  I have read that the bronzing on
> glossy paper is a universal problem.  Is that true Eespecially for
> the Epson 220??  (BTW, I am using Paul's ICC profile.)
> 
> I also have the Eboni black installed and I also understand that 
Photo
> Black is for glossy papers.  Could that be the problem?  The 
bronzing
> has occurred on 4 different glossy papers.  The mat paper on the 
other

> hand looks great.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Tom
>