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Harman Gloss FB AL - Warmtone - First Impression

Harman Gloss FB AL - Warmtone - First Impression

2008-02-25 by stephengledhill

I collected a few sample sheets this afternoon (from the Harman stand at the
annual "Focus on Imaging" in Birmingham UK) of the newly launched
(yesterday) Gloss FB AL - Warmtone.  I've been looking forward to this paper
as I generally prefer warm papers.  The FB Al was a little too neutral for
my liking but otherwise an excellent paper.  Back at my printer I opened the
pack and compared a sheet with the non-warmtone version alongside Ilford
Gold Fibre Silk, Innova FibaPrint Warm Gloss and Crane Museo Silver Rag.
 
Apart from the original Harman Gloss FB Al, all of the others are various
shades of what you might call conventional warmtone.  I only say this as a
contrast with the new paper which is very very different.  It is somewhere
between orange and pink (I can't decide) compared with the more conventional
yellowy/creamy tints of the others.  OK, it's not actually orange or pink -
but the tint is in that direction.
 
I printed my standard test image and found it otherwise behaved just the
same as the original Harman Gloss FB Al - well described a while ago (by
Walt if I recall) about the image being in rather than on the paper.
Beautifully sharp and true with much reduced gloss differential than others
of the new PK papers.
 
My first reaction was 'oh no, I don't like this at all'.  But, and I've
learned this by experience, I'm careful not to always compare papers/prints
side be side to determine whether or not I like them.  I separated the print
from all of the others and as the memory of the side by side comparison
faded the print in fact stands up well for itself.  Love it or hate it, it's
simply another excellent option where we can exercise paper choice.
 
Steve Gledhill
www.virtuallygrey.co.uk <http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/> 


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Re: Harman Gloss FB AL - Warmtone - First Impression

2008-02-26 by Tyler Boley

Steve, one thing that really struck me was the difference between the lovely print you sent 
me on the Innova Warm, and just pulling a sheet out of the package and reacting to the 
base color.
I recall having reacting badly to the warmth seeing the entire sheet out of the package. 
After seeing your print, and now some other prints on that paper, I like it a lot. I suspect it 
hasn't caught on just because of this.
Your point about seeing these papers with imagery, and standing on their own, is very 
important.
Thanks for the review.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "stephengledhill" 
<stephengledhill@...> wrote:
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>
> I collected a few sample sheets this afternoon (from the Harman stand at the
> annual "Focus on Imaging" in Birmingham UK) of the newly launched
> (yesterday) Gloss FB AL - Warmtone.  I've been looking forward to this paper
> as I generally prefer warm papers.  The FB Al was a little too neutral for
> my liking but otherwise an excellent paper.  Back at my printer I opened the
> pack and compared a sheet with the non-warmtone version alongside Ilford
> Gold Fibre Silk, Innova FibaPrint Warm Gloss and Crane Museo Silver Rag.
>  
> Apart from the original Harman Gloss FB Al, all of the others are various
> shades of what you might call conventional warmtone.  I only say this as a
> contrast with the new paper which is very very different.  It is somewhere
> between orange and pink (I can't decide) compared with the more conventional
> yellowy/creamy tints of the others.  OK, it's not actually orange or pink -
> but the tint is in that direction.
>  
> I printed my standard test image and found it otherwise behaved just the
> same as the original Harman Gloss FB Al - well described a while ago (by
> Walt if I recall) about the image being in rather than on the paper.
> Beautifully sharp and true with much reduced gloss differential than others
> of the new PK papers.
>  
> My first reaction was 'oh no, I don't like this at all'.  But, and I've
> learned this by experience, I'm careful not to always compare papers/prints
> side be side to determine whether or not I like them.  I separated the print
> from all of the others and as the memory of the side by side comparison
> faded the print in fact stands up well for itself.  Love it or hate it, it's
> simply another excellent option where we can exercise paper choice.
>  
> Steve Gledhill
> www.virtuallygrey.co.uk <http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Harman Gloss FB AL - Warmtone - First Impression

2008-02-27 by stephengledhill

Hi Tyler,
 
Yes, comparisons are important to help inform - but the ultimate test has to
be whether it looks good in its own right'.
 
"Salmon Pink" was the tint descriptor I was searching for ...  and it's
steadily growing on me.  Honest.
 
It suspect that this paper will be more tricky to match to a mat board.
Most of the 'white' boards fall into the more conventional near
white/yellowy/creamy warmtone arena and may well clash with rather than
complement this new paper.
 
I noticed in the Harman documentation that it has no OBAs.  I haven't
noticed that statement in the non-warmtone version documentation of the
paper - but I haven't searched too hard either.
 
Steve Gledhill
 <http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/> http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk


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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Harman Gloss FB AL - Warmtone - First Impression



Steve, one thing that really struck me was the difference between the lovely
print you sent 
me on the Innova Warm, and just pulling a sheet out of the package and
reacting to the 
base color.
I recall having reacting badly to the warmth seeing the entire sheet out of
the package. 
After seeing your print, and now some other prints on that paper, I like it
a lot. I suspect it 
hasn't caught on just because of this.
Your point about seeing these papers with imagery, and standing on their
own, is very 
important.
Thanks for the review.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "stephengledhill" 
<stephengledhill@...> wrote:
>
> I collected a few sample sheets this afternoon (from the Harman stand at
the
> annual "Focus on Imaging" in Birmingham UK) of the newly launched
> (yesterday) Gloss FB AL - Warmtone. I've been looking forward to this
paper
> as I generally prefer warm papers. The FB Al was a little too neutral for
> my liking but otherwise an excellent paper. Back at my printer I opened
the
> pack and compared a sheet with the non-warmtone version alongside Ilford
> Gold Fibre Silk, Innova FibaPrint Warm Gloss and Crane Museo Silver Rag.
> 
> Apart from the original Harman Gloss FB Al, all of the others are various
> shades of what you might call conventional warmtone. I only say this as a
> contrast with the new paper which is very very different. It is somewhere
> between orange and pink (I can't decide) compared with the more
conventional
> yellowy/creamy tints of the others. OK, it's not actually orange or pink -
> but the tint is in that direction.
> 
> I printed my standard test image and found it otherwise behaved just the
> same as the original Harman Gloss FB Al - well described a while ago (by
> Walt if I recall) about the image being in rather than on the paper.
> Beautifully sharp and true with much reduced gloss differential than
others
> of the new PK papers.
> 
> My first reaction was 'oh no, I don't like this at all'. But, and I've
> learned this by experience, I'm careful not to always compare
papers/prints
> side be side to determine whether or not I like them. I separated the
print
> from all of the others and as the memory of the side by side comparison
> faded the print in fact stands up well for itself. Love it or hate it,
it's
> simply another excellent option where we can exercise paper choice.
> 
> Steve Gledhill
> www.virtuallygrey.co.uk <http://www.virtuall
<http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/> ygrey.co.uk/> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



 



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